Malaysian 777 missing
03-19-2014, 01:15 PM
#731
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 10
Still waiting for him to get back. He is going to check around at work. I did some research last night and I did see FMS provisions in the ACARS spec. Found it in an online google book. That doesn't necessarily mean that they have ever been used.
03-19-2014, 02:51 PM
#733
...Whatever It Is!
Joined APC: Jul 2006
Posts: 4,680
Had an NTSB investigator once tell me they had gotten useable data from 7 loops deep from a CVR tape.
03-19-2014, 03:35 PM
#734
Production Test Pilot
Joined APC: May 2013
Position: Production Test Pilot, Boeing
Posts: 111
Does anyone screen new APC account applicants for credentials? For crying out loud! Some of these people are asking questions a private pilot should know. Clearly the AIM is a document that can be researched online. It's fine to lurk as a non-pilot, but the 3 page posts of nothing but elementary questions about SAR and other established procedures contribute nothing to the discussion.
Mods can anything be done here?
Mods can anything be done here?
And then there's the media, throwing around big $$s, booking sim time to actually demonstrate how to do some of those things (member Timbo mentioned something about CNN doing exactly that and it's just one example).
I don't know why (almost exclusively ignorant) people keep talking and talking and talking nonsense when clearly there's virtually zero evidence to support any particular theory. It's a circus, all over the world.
03-19-2014, 03:56 PM
#735
With The Resistance
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
Posts: 6,191
Unfortunately, that's not the (main) problem. The issue here (in this incident) is that there's other forums (not so much this one, thankfully) where people trying to impress reveal information about the aircraft, how to 'turn this off' or how to 'disengage that' etc etc, thereby inadvertently and foolishly making things easier for the bad guys.
And then there's the media, throwing around big $$s, booking sim time to actually demonstrate how to do some of those things (member Timbo mentioned something about CNN doing exactly that and it's just one example).
I don't know why (almost exclusively ignorant) people keep talking and talking and talking nonsense when clearly there's virtually zero evidence to support any particular theory. It's a circus, all over the world.
And then there's the media, throwing around big $$s, booking sim time to actually demonstrate how to do some of those things (member Timbo mentioned something about CNN doing exactly that and it's just one example).
I don't know why (almost exclusively ignorant) people keep talking and talking and talking nonsense when clearly there's virtually zero evidence to support any particular theory. It's a circus, all over the world.
03-19-2014, 04:27 PM
#736
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 21
Unfortunately, that's not the (main) problem. The issue here (in this incident) is that there's other forums (not so much this one, thankfully) where people trying to impress reveal information about the aircraft, how to 'turn this off' or how to 'disengage that' etc etc, thereby inadvertently and foolishly making things easier for the bad guys.
And then there's the media, throwing around big $$s, booking sim time to actually demonstrate how to do some of those things (member Timbo mentioned something about CNN doing exactly that and it's just one example).
I don't know why (almost exclusively ignorant) people keep talking and talking and talking nonsense when clearly there's virtually zero evidence to support any particular theory. It's a circus, all over the world.
And then there's the media, throwing around big $$s, booking sim time to actually demonstrate how to do some of those things (member Timbo mentioned something about CNN doing exactly that and it's just one example).
I don't know why (almost exclusively ignorant) people keep talking and talking and talking nonsense when clearly there's virtually zero evidence to support any particular theory. It's a circus, all over the world.
03-19-2014, 05:04 PM
#737
Somewhere in Europe
Joined APC: Jan 2010
Position: A330 FO
Posts: 117
This business of the waypoints being programmed into the FMS prior to the last ATC call is unofficial. It's a leak to the media from some unknown source, so I would discount it until it is confirmed. So many of these leaks have turned out to be a crock.
The media are like an echo chamber, repeating the same speculation over and over until they start to hear their own speculation reported by other media outlets, then they take it as fact.
I was watching Captain Les Abend on CNN earlier. He was quite measured and sensible in his comments. Definitely one of the better commentators.
The media are like an echo chamber, repeating the same speculation over and over until they start to hear their own speculation reported by other media outlets, then they take it as fact.
I was watching Captain Les Abend on CNN earlier. He was quite measured and sensible in his comments. Definitely one of the better commentators.
03-19-2014, 05:46 PM
#738
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Posts: 99
This business of the waypoints being programmed into the FMS prior to the last ATC call is unofficial. It's a leak to the media from some unknown source, so I would discount it until it is confirmed. So many of these leaks have turned out to be a crock.
The media are like an echo chamber, repeating the same speculation over and over until they start to hear their own speculation reported by other media outlets, then they take it as fact.
I was watching Captain Les Abend on CNN earlier. He was quite measured and sensible in his comments. Definitely one of the better commentators.
The media are like an echo chamber, repeating the same speculation over and over until they start to hear their own speculation reported by other media outlets, then they take it as fact.
I was watching Captain Les Abend on CNN earlier. He was quite measured and sensible in his comments. Definitely one of the better commentators.
to be in two unions at the same time ?
03-19-2014, 05:49 PM
#739
Moderate Moderator
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Curator at Static Display
Posts: 5,681
It's pretty obvious that some of the more ridiculous questions and theories are by journalism dropouts.
Unfortunately, there is no means to screen them. Caveat emptor....it's a free site, and the Mods work for free.
The posers always out themselves in due course.
Unfortunately, there is no means to screen them. Caveat emptor....it's a free site, and the Mods work for free.
The posers always out themselves in due course.
03-19-2014, 06:09 PM
#740
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 11
The media is very short on credible sources for this story so at least if they are here they are listening to actual pilots - I think that is a good thing. I'm a psyc prof, not a pilot, and very interested in how behavior fits into whatever happened so I am here to learn as well. I don't have a theory because I don't know enough to have one and I am not a pilot.
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