After UPS crash, former NTSB chairman says pl
08-16-2013, 09:11 AM
#31
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OK! ....... 'and I can't take it anymore'!!
My contemporaries that are spreading this line of all "airline pilots" need a few thousand hours of 'experience' prior to being anointed as a First Officer/ co-pilot seem to have forgotten that many of us hired by the Majors in the late sixties( including some of them) had 200hrs. or less, with an approved school, Comm. with Inst. rating. My 192 hrs. was good enough for NWA, EAL, and TWA. In my actual new hire class the high time guy was an Air Guard pilot with 500hrs. So far all of my classmates that have stayed in their career have or will retire from a pretty normal career.
The main opportunities at that time to gain experience was either the military, air taxi, of flight instructing, so with SE Asia wars not releasing military pilots, the various flight schools became very popular. Thus the "six months ago I couldn't spell airline pilot, now I are one!" ads that appeared in the aviation publications at the time.
My point is that I agree with the folks that maintain that quantity of flight hours does not a good airline pilot make!
My contemporaries that are spreading this line of all "airline pilots" need a few thousand hours of 'experience' prior to being anointed as a First Officer/ co-pilot seem to have forgotten that many of us hired by the Majors in the late sixties( including some of them) had 200hrs. or less, with an approved school, Comm. with Inst. rating. My 192 hrs. was good enough for NWA, EAL, and TWA. In my actual new hire class the high time guy was an Air Guard pilot with 500hrs. So far all of my classmates that have stayed in their career have or will retire from a pretty normal career.
The main opportunities at that time to gain experience was either the military, air taxi, of flight instructing, so with SE Asia wars not releasing military pilots, the various flight schools became very popular. Thus the "six months ago I couldn't spell airline pilot, now I are one!" ads that appeared in the aviation publications at the time.
My point is that I agree with the folks that maintain that quantity of flight hours does not a good airline pilot make!
08-16-2013, 09:11 AM
#32
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"Years ago when FDX ALPA threatened to go on strike..."
I understand that this is the Internet but... it was 1998. FPA, the FedEx Pilot's Association, was representing the crew force not FDX ALPA. We did not have a chairman but an Association President, Capt FF. The company threaten to use Danish (not the breakfast food) pilots not Irish pilots to fill the European flying. We truly didn't think 58 management pilots were going to backfill the domestic system but we did worry about crew members crossing any picket line that we may have established and the company was looking to use vast amounts of trucking. The parking lot deal is spot on and a low point for many of us. But as I tell people "it was not our destiny but our Fato".
Sorry for the thread hijack.
My deepest sympathies go out to the families of UPS 1345 and the entire UPS crew force.
Bonjour,
The ATM (yes, I am also a French model)
I understand that this is the Internet but... it was 1998. FPA, the FedEx Pilot's Association, was representing the crew force not FDX ALPA. We did not have a chairman but an Association President, Capt FF. The company threaten to use Danish (not the breakfast food) pilots not Irish pilots to fill the European flying. We truly didn't think 58 management pilots were going to backfill the domestic system but we did worry about crew members crossing any picket line that we may have established and the company was looking to use vast amounts of trucking. The parking lot deal is spot on and a low point for many of us. But as I tell people "it was not our destiny but our Fato".
Sorry for the thread hijack.
My deepest sympathies go out to the families of UPS 1345 and the entire UPS crew force.
Bonjour,
The ATM (yes, I am also a French model)
08-16-2013, 11:31 AM
#33
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Chinese pilots? Umm... they're parking aircraft because they can't get enough foreigners to fly them. Also, do you think Chinese pilots can just wake up one morning and say to hell with China, I'm going to fly for Mesa even if we allowed them to?
Please, do some research before spouting off nonsense.
Please, do some research before spouting off nonsense.
Perhaps its you that needs to read more and spout less.
08-16-2013, 11:47 AM
#34
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OK! ....... 'and I can't take it anymore'!!
My contemporaries that are spreading this line of all "airline pilots" need a few thousand hours of 'experience' prior to being anointed as a First Officer/ co-pilot seem to have forgotten that many of us hired by the Majors in the late sixties( including some of them) had 200hrs. or less, with an approved school, Comm. with Inst. rating. My 192 hrs. was good enough for NWA, EAL, and TWA. In my actual new hire class the high time guy was an Air Guard pilot with 500hrs. So far all of my classmates that have stayed in their career have or will retire from a pretty normal career.
The main opportunities at that time to gain experience was either the military, air taxi, of flight instructing, so with SE Asia wars not releasing military pilots, the various flight schools became very popular. Thus the "six months ago I couldn't spell airline pilot, now I are one!" ads that appeared in the aviation publications at the time.
My point is that I agree with the folks that maintain that quantity of flight hours does not a good airline pilot make!
My contemporaries that are spreading this line of all "airline pilots" need a few thousand hours of 'experience' prior to being anointed as a First Officer/ co-pilot seem to have forgotten that many of us hired by the Majors in the late sixties( including some of them) had 200hrs. or less, with an approved school, Comm. with Inst. rating. My 192 hrs. was good enough for NWA, EAL, and TWA. In my actual new hire class the high time guy was an Air Guard pilot with 500hrs. So far all of my classmates that have stayed in their career have or will retire from a pretty normal career.
The main opportunities at that time to gain experience was either the military, air taxi, of flight instructing, so with SE Asia wars not releasing military pilots, the various flight schools became very popular. Thus the "six months ago I couldn't spell airline pilot, now I are one!" ads that appeared in the aviation publications at the time.
My point is that I agree with the folks that maintain that quantity of flight hours does not a good airline pilot make!
You might want to worry that you are depending on the same people who got you into this mess to get you out of it. That is highly unlikely.
08-16-2013, 04:29 PM
#36
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I can't believe anyone would give an exclusive interview to Al-Jazeera except Obama or Hilary.
08-16-2013, 04:49 PM
#38
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08-16-2013, 06:13 PM
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