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08-20-2013, 08:53 AM
#91
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Agreed. If you need to call in fatigued, don't fear your employer. Fly safe and be professional. Protect yourself and your family.
The problem with fatigue is its a lot like intoxication. By the time you realize you're too fatigued to fly you're usually already flying. Like drinking and driving, have one and "I'm good don't even feel it". Have 2 and "I'm a little relaxed but still full capable". After 3 3 "I feel a little buzz but still good to drive". And the decision making process just gets worse from there but you swear you're still ok to drive... Right up until you wrap the car around a tree.
My first fatigue risk management module in recurrent last year pretty much alerted us that the shift most of us worked (overnights) made it nearly impossible for you be as alert and well rested as a normal day shift. And we should all try and get a short nap in around 3 to 5 am. Yet sleeping at my desk is still frowned upon. It was lovely to tell us the risks associated with working all night but offering no way to mitigate the risks.
08-20-2013, 12:13 PM
#92
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The problem with fatigue is its a lot like intoxication. By the time you realize you're too fatigued to fly you're usually already flying. Like drinking and driving, have one and "I'm good don't even feel it". Have 2 and "I'm a little relaxed but still full capable". After 3 3 "I feel a little buzz but still good to drive". And the decision making process just gets worse from there but you swear you're still ok to drive... Right up until you wrap the car around a tree.
My first fatigue risk management module in recurrent last year pretty much alerted us that the shift most of us worked (overnights) made it nearly impossible for you be as alert and well rested as a normal day shift. And we should all try and get a short nap in around 3 to 5 am. Yet sleeping at my desk is still frowned upon. It was lovely to tell us the risks associated with working all night but offering no way to mitigate the risks.
The problem with fatigue is its a lot like intoxication. By the time you realize you're too fatigued to fly you're usually already flying. Like drinking and driving, have one and "I'm good don't even feel it". Have 2 and "I'm a little relaxed but still full capable". After 3 3 "I feel a little buzz but still good to drive". And the decision making process just gets worse from there but you swear you're still ok to drive... Right up until you wrap the car around a tree.
My first fatigue risk management module in recurrent last year pretty much alerted us that the shift most of us worked (overnights) made it nearly impossible for you be as alert and well rested as a normal day shift. And we should all try and get a short nap in around 3 to 5 am. Yet sleeping at my desk is still frowned upon. It was lovely to tell us the risks associated with working all night but offering no way to mitigate the risks.
08-20-2013, 12:49 PM
#93
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Who says working strange hours isn't bad for you?
BofA intern dies after reportedly working 3 straight days
At least one of my doctors thinks I 'might' of had a fatigue induced seizure (on the 1st leg of a week of DAYTIME flying!)
BofA intern dies after reportedly working 3 straight days
At least one of my doctors thinks I 'might' of had a fatigue induced seizure (on the 1st leg of a week of DAYTIME flying!)
08-20-2013, 03:25 PM
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