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Old 07-17-2013, 08:40 AM
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Lawsuit Targets Boeing Following Asiana Crash | NBC Chicago

A Chicago law firm says it plans to sue aircraft manufacturer Boeing Co. on behalf of 83 people who were on the Asiana Airlines flight that crash-landed in San Francisco.
Ribbeck Law Chartered says in a news release that it filed a petition Tuesday in Cook County Circuit Court in Chicago to help preserve evidence in the July 6 crash. Three people were killed when the Boeing 777 clipped a seawall at the end of a runway.
Ribbeck says additional pleadings will be filed against Asiana Airlines and several component parts manufacturers.
The firm says the crash might have been caused by a mechanical malfunction of the auto-throttle. It also says some sliding ramps reportedly opened inside the plane, injuring passengers and blocking their exit.


Source: Lawsuit Targets Boeing Following Asiana Crash | NBC Chicago
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The firm says the crash might have been caused by a mechanical malfunction of the auto-throttle. It also says some sliding ramps reportedly opened inside the plane, injuring passengers and blocking their exit.


Source: Lawsuit Targets Boeing Following Asiana Crash | NBC Chicago
Effin' lawyers. Malfunctioning auto-throttle? YGBSM.
Oh... and the slides malfunctioned? Were those the ones adjacent to the tail that was ripped off by the hundred-G impact with the rocks? I'm amazed the doors even opened.

Boeing, the F/As and God's grace are the ONLY reason more didn't die. They should be getting an award for building such a survivable aircraft, not sued. I'll bet if that was an Airbus many more would have died.
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it's GW's Fault just like evcerything else in this country since 2008, jeez
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I'm surprised they're doing it prior to the final investigation report. All the factors don't matter much if ultimately it's a clear case of pilot error. I'm with the fact they should be thanking Boeing, or at least not thinking they're responsible. Seems all the leaches are always so sue happy......
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The malfunction certainly seems to be with the crew not the aircraft. It is amazing how well it held together after the impact.
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Originally Posted by WARich
I'm surprised they're doing it prior to the final investigation report. All the factors don't matter much if ultimately it's a clear case of pilot error. I'm with the fact they should be thanking Boeing, or at least not thinking they're responsible. Seems all the leaches are always so sue happy......
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The malfunction certainly seems to be with the crew not the aircraft. It is amazing how well it held together after the impact.
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Ribbeck Law Chartered on Monday filed a petition for discovery, which is meant to preserve evidence, in Cook County Circuit Court in Chicago, where the aircraft manufacturer is headquartered. The firm said in a news release that additional pleadings will be filed against Asiana Airlines and several component parts manufacturers in coming days
Though I despise the ambulance chasing aspects of this case - and they ARE still yet to come, in my opinion this story is more about an overstatement of the current purpose (possible not the future purpose) by the media - as in poor story title for the filing.

This is just a first step in the whole process, actually suing Boeing, but nothing yet that far has been filed.
The actual reporting on the story, at least at this link:
83 Passengers Plan to Sue Boeing Over Asiana Crash | NBC4 Washington
is more accurate.
The on-scene reporter states at 0+30 to 0+45 it is not a lawsuit but rather a "petition for discovery..." and all for the purpose to preserve evidence.
Robert Clifford says it all pretty good betwen 1+05 and 1+30.

They are looking at all possibilities (to incude the autothrottles since it has received so much attention) even before the oficial investigation comes out, but I'd be hard presed (under common sense which I know doesn't apply to the law) to believe that that part of the case would progress any further once the cause is established if it continues down the course it seems to be presently heading as Rama pointed out.

As Alder said when looking at the slides - - - again using common sense - how could they say there was a malfunction that Boeing could have planned for the operation of the slides in that circumstance?

The lawyers are looking at all possibilities, just like the investigators, gathering evidence and preserving it in a legal sense, and getting their ducks in a row to be ready to filed the ACTUAL LAWSUIT on the party with the deepest pockets once they think they have enough evidence (prior to or after the final release of the mishap report) to convince a jury.

Just my 2 cents.

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it's GW's Fault just like evcerything else in this country since 2008, jeez
I thought everything was Obama's fault.

Seriously though... They need to be thanking Boeing. That airplane itself saved A LOT of lives, and the FA's / ARFF helped finish the job. I'm still amazed at how well that plane held up.
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this is a rather disgusting move...it's thanks to BOEING they literally walked out of this one.

for everyone concerned...BOEING has an intensive/extensive Flight Test progam for the 777s...the 777s are pushed right to the edge of the envelope.(see this B777 Flight Test - YouTube)

B777 A/T protection available with AP/FD disengaged(as in Asiana 214):

i) if A/T is engaged in THR REF/SPD modes …A/T wakes up for thrust/speed deviations from FMC/MCP…above 100’ RA on approach.

ii) if A/T is engaged in HOLD mode…A/T refuse to retard to IDLE…with A/T servos inhibited in HOLD mode.

note:A/T disconnects are annunciated with Aural Beeper and “AUTOTHROTTLE DISC” Caution Message on EICAS.


now how much more can the airplane protect u?
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The aircraft slammed into a sea wall and nearly flipped over, yet they were still able to walk away from the aircraft. If anything the structural engineers at Boeing should be the ones demanding compensation.
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Effin' lawyers. Malfunctioning auto-throttle? YGBSM.
Oh... and the slides malfunctioned? Were those the ones adjacent to the tail that was ripped off by the hundred-G impact with the rocks? I'm amazed the doors even opened.

Boeing, the F/As and God's grace are the ONLY reason more didn't die. They should be getting an award for building such a survivable aircraft, not sued. I'll bet if that was an Airbus many more would have died.
You bet that huh? You must be clairvoyant to make such a crass statement. Did you conduct your own safety study comparing the survivability of this accident between a Boeing and an Airbus? Or, were you making an attempt at being "cute"? Either way, you have no idea what your talking about.
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