TWA Flight 800 Findings
06-22-2013, 06:38 AM
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He has a mortgage broker that was in the Navy and on a ship off Long Island the night of the incident. The broker said, at the time, the Navy routinely shot inert practice missiles off the coast of Long Island and he said he thinks (knows) it was an inert, radar guided missile that struck the plane.
TWA 800 was shot down. It wasn't a US Navy missile that did it.
06-22-2013, 09:07 AM
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06-22-2013, 09:31 AM
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Same deal with Hoffa. Say the FBI finds him. Then what? Yep he's still dead.
On another note, I unequivocally trust our government in all matters and know they are good stewards of our tax dollars. I got a lot of personal stuff done on yesterday's furlough day due to sequestration.
On another note, I unequivocally trust our government in all matters and know they are good stewards of our tax dollars. I got a lot of personal stuff done on yesterday's furlough day due to sequestration.
Sorry to hear about your furlough and maybe something else will come along .
Fred
06-23-2013, 04:20 PM
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Shooting an airplane down on accident almost sounds like a Trailer Park Boys episode... I'd be curious to have another investigation. The current cause isn't satisfying.
I don't know if anyone remembers, but there was a large group of High School kids on that airplane and they were from my town. I was in middle school with their brothers & sisters. The high school was at the end of my street. Very surreal. My next door neighbor was almost on it as a chaperone.
I don't know if anyone remembers, but there was a large group of High School kids on that airplane and they were from my town. I was in middle school with their brothers & sisters. The high school was at the end of my street. Very surreal. My next door neighbor was almost on it as a chaperone.
06-23-2013, 07:55 PM
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06-23-2013, 08:49 PM
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I spoke about this thread and the TWA 800 crash with my FO today. He had something interesting to say. I'm not saying I believe it but this is what he said.
He has a mortgage broker that was in the Navy and on a ship off Long Island the night of the incident. The broker said, at the time, the Navy routinely shot inert practice missiles off the coast of Long Island and he said he thinks (knows) it was an inert, radar guided missile that struck the plane.
He has a mortgage broker that was in the Navy and on a ship off Long Island the night of the incident. The broker said, at the time, the Navy routinely shot inert practice missiles off the coast of Long Island and he said he thinks (knows) it was an inert, radar guided missile that struck the plane.
Either you or your broker are blowing smoke.
An "inert" SM2 missile would still be a 3,000lb near-hypersonic object loaded with rocket fuel. Guess what? That's still all kinds of dangerous, so they don't "routinely" shoot "warheadless" missiles anywhere outside of designated ranges. Honestly I don't think there is a such a thing as "warheadless" SM1 or SM2. There are inert practice rounds which are TOTALLY inert (no warhead or motor) and are used for ships to practice handling and arming (the dummies have electronics to simulate the arm/launch sequence).
Ranges are all either restricted areas (US waters) or warning areas (International waters) and the range controller will never clear the shooter hot until the range is verified free of interlopers. If any such areas were is use, there would have been a NOTAM issued. If for some reason the navy wanted to do a "super-duper extra-secret" missile test and not tell anyone, they would conduct it in the open ocean in the western pacific, not within spitting distance of NYC and busy air corridors without warning anyone.
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06-23-2013, 10:10 PM
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Sorry, not going to let this one go...
Either you or your broker are blowing smoke.
An "inert" SM2 missile would still be a 3,000lb near-hypersonic object loaded with rocket fuel. Guess what? That's still all kinds of dangerous, so they don't "routinely" shoot "warheadless" missiles anywhere outside of designated ranges. Honestly I don't think there is a such a thing as "warheadless" SM1 or SM2. There are inert practice rounds which are TOTALLY inert (no warhead or motor) and are used for ships to practice handling and arming (the dummies have electronics to simulate the arm/launch sequence).
Ranges are all either restricted areas (US waters) or warning areas (International waters) and the range controller will never clear the shooter hot until the range is verified free of interlopers. If any such areas were is use, there would have been a NOTAM issued. If for some reason the navy wanted to do a "super-duper extra-secret" missile test and not tell anyone, they would conduct it in the open ocean in the western pacific, not within spitting distance of NYC and busy air corridors without warning anyone.
Either you or your broker are blowing smoke.
An "inert" SM2 missile would still be a 3,000lb near-hypersonic object loaded with rocket fuel. Guess what? That's still all kinds of dangerous, so they don't "routinely" shoot "warheadless" missiles anywhere outside of designated ranges. Honestly I don't think there is a such a thing as "warheadless" SM1 or SM2. There are inert practice rounds which are TOTALLY inert (no warhead or motor) and are used for ships to practice handling and arming (the dummies have electronics to simulate the arm/launch sequence).
Ranges are all either restricted areas (US waters) or warning areas (International waters) and the range controller will never clear the shooter hot until the range is verified free of interlopers. If any such areas were is use, there would have been a NOTAM issued. If for some reason the navy wanted to do a "super-duper extra-secret" missile test and not tell anyone, they would conduct it in the open ocean in the western pacific, not within spitting distance of NYC and busy air corridors without warning anyone.
06-24-2013, 04:02 AM
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Sorry, not going to let this one go...
Either you or your broker are blowing smoke.
An "inert" SM2 missile would still be a 3,000lb near-hypersonic object loaded with rocket fuel. Guess what? That's still all kinds of dangerous, so they don't "routinely" shoot "warheadless" missiles anywhere outside of designated ranges. Honestly I don't think there is a such a thing as "warheadless" SM1 or SM2. There are inert practice rounds which are TOTALLY inert (no warhead or motor) and are used for ships to practice handling and arming (the dummies have electronics to simulate the arm/launch sequence).
Ranges are all either restricted areas (US waters) or warning areas (International waters) and the range controller will never clear the shooter hot until the range is verified free of interlopers. If any such areas were is use, there would have been a NOTAM issued. If for some reason the navy wanted to do a "super-duper extra-secret" missile test and not tell anyone, they would conduct it in the open ocean in the western pacific, not within spitting distance of NYC and busy air corridors without warning anyone.
Either you or your broker are blowing smoke.
An "inert" SM2 missile would still be a 3,000lb near-hypersonic object loaded with rocket fuel. Guess what? That's still all kinds of dangerous, so they don't "routinely" shoot "warheadless" missiles anywhere outside of designated ranges. Honestly I don't think there is a such a thing as "warheadless" SM1 or SM2. There are inert practice rounds which are TOTALLY inert (no warhead or motor) and are used for ships to practice handling and arming (the dummies have electronics to simulate the arm/launch sequence).
Ranges are all either restricted areas (US waters) or warning areas (International waters) and the range controller will never clear the shooter hot until the range is verified free of interlopers. If any such areas were is use, there would have been a NOTAM issued. If for some reason the navy wanted to do a "super-duper extra-secret" missile test and not tell anyone, they would conduct it in the open ocean in the western pacific, not within spitting distance of NYC and busy air corridors without warning anyone.
A little additional: The planning and paperwork required to be filed ahead of time for use of a warning area or range is lengthy and required, period!
I cannot fathom how folks can even think military actions are conducted otherwise. For folks that do not realize it; weapons and flight maneuvers as examples; are not conducted on a whim wherever you decide it feels good.
Why I even took time to put this in print..not sure. Get a grip theory mongers!
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