savall

Sarcasm does not work as well on the internet, but unless I'm reading something wrong, we are on the same page.

Leave it to the internet to turn anything into a 9/11 thread after a certain point, but it just doesn't seem like a 767 can bring down a huge complex of buildings. But maybe I just believe what I want.

bluefishbeagle

JP4 and JET A is comparing apples to oranges. Down load and read the report I posted. Then lets talk. It was written by highly respected aviation professionals not a bunch of web bloggers long before the current documentary on a possible cover up.

bluefishbeagle

Ok I see your point of view now. Two things about 9/11 stink to me. One was building 7. The other was how smoothly (with precision) the aircraft that hit the twin towers were flown especially considering that they were at or past MMO. A pro pilot would have had problems hitting anything at those speeds without wild (of at least very visible) last minute corrections to the flight path. It was tried in a simulator and one pro pilot in ten hit the buildings. A pilot who had trouble landing a 172 would not have has anywhere near the skill required.

JamesNoBrakes

Hey, I'm just using your own logic that "if something hasn't happened before, it's impossible".

This has already been rationally discussed in this thread, so really, this is the only thing you're bringing to the table.

ForeverFO

There is no possibility that a missile could be fired, and then covered up, by a military crew. Period.

The FBI thoroughly investigated every single military vehicle, land, sea, and air, in the vicinity of TWA-800, and not one was mysteriously missing a missile.

They didn't attempt to cover up the Vincennes shooting; how likely is it, then, that they covered this up? That assumes it is even possible to do so. It isn't. Someone WILL talk.

Military secrets are well kept only when the secret benefits military effectiveness... The system is NOT designed to cover up atrocities, like My Lai and others that ALL saw the light of day.

bluefishbeagle

I'm not trying to change your opinion but the facts do not substantiate your statement, besides who said the only possibility was a US missile?

Ask the crew of the USS Liberty if the facts of a military operation can be hid from the American people.

Asking the FBI to find their employer at fault is like asking a fox who ate the chickens.

JamesNoBrakes

Yes, so at what level does this exist? Is it the city trashman who is employed by city government? By working in that capacity he automatically becomes a liar and is covering up massive secrets? No? So at what level do these government workers start hiding these massive secret agendas and conspiracies? Is it the seaman 3rd class or whatever on a ship? Is it the lieutenant? Is it the postal workers? Exactly where does this start and who is "in" on it?

This simply goes back to the beginning, where we have a traumatic event that is fairly unprecedented. It's not going to "make sense" or be "emotionally satisfying". You don't like that there's not some easy way to assign the blame for it, so your mind has made up/bought into incredible stories that seem to make more "sense". This isn't "sense" according to actual fact/evidence, it's "sense" due to emotion and what "feels" right. This is a natural human defense mechanism, as it allows us to continue operating in stressful situations, but that doesn't mean that the story our minds have assigned is "real".

I work in the government and it's amazing how many people within our own organizations feel that there's some wild conspiracy going on "out there, somewhere". It's not the conspiracy theory specifically, it's that WE are the ones that would be in on it, not some mythical entity or "other people". "Our" organization is filled with god-fearing patriots, but everyone else is trying to destroy everything! For some there is little realization that "we" are the ones responsible for these impressions and that the "system" has effects that are perceived as some sort of massive conspiracy or someone in command that is making "all the decisions", and it's the same from organization to organization. It comes down to individual people and their assigned areas of responsibility, accountable to their managers. It's not a bunch of people carrying out some crazy manifesto that certain people are "in" on and the rest are told to "shut up and don't ask questions". That's what some people perceive for some reason. If that was really the way it was, it wouldn't last long.

USMCFLYR

I find it interesting that many of these theories ask you to explain something about them - but rarely do they have answers why the *accepted* theories are wrong.
Case in point - someone in the last few posts made it seem that they didn't believe that a fully fueled 767 could slam into one of the towers and NOT bring it down.
So I ask - read the report, watch a documentary, listen to any of the participating experts, and explain what is WRONG with the *accepted* theories of why the towers collapsed.
As far as missile theories and TWA 800 - go back to my post asking about the tactics, techniques, and procedures used to get three Surface-to-Air missiles to impacted simultaneously and then you can even have one inkling of how ridiculous a theory it is.

Semaphore Sam

As soon as the FBI came in the door, the integrity of the "investigation" became doubtful. I trust the NTSB, not J. Edgar Hoover's flatfeet. When they started throwing their weight around, transparency and truth became purely secondary considerations. Sam

bluefishbeagle

First let me thank you for your civil service. Most Americans working in positions and jobs like you are honest hard working people who would not hesitate to expose corruption. However I'm sure you recognize that whether civil or federal not all would.

For reasons usually cited at "National Security" some events are hidden from the public. Looks at Operation "Fast and Furious" for example. Another that I mentioned is USS Liberty, an unarmed ship attached by Israel jets with the hope that it would be blamed on Middle East governments.

We are too involved in other countries politics in a quest for what? World government and monetary system? Personally I believe we have enough to correct here at home. Let someone else be the world's police force.