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Old 04-14-2013, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Hercnhawk
I wonder if the ARFF unit sprayed the runway. As the video ended I expected to see the trucks come rushing up.
My understanding is that ARFF / foam spraying is not favored anymore due to significant increase in stopping distance and lack of demonstration that it prevents fires at all... only done if needed once plane stops. That would be policy at my airport, any other experts here can comment?
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My understanding is that ARFF / foam spraying is not favored anymore due to significant increase in stopping distance and lack of demonstration that it prevents fires at all... only done if needed once plane stops. That would be policy at my airport, any other experts here can comment?
Talked to one of my buddies in ops this morning at the airport, he pointed me to the FAA recommendation, since around 2000 routine foaming not done for belly or emergency landings.

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The effectiveness of runway foaming is not fully substantiated by the real evidence of operational incident studies. Neither the International Fire Service Training Association (IFSTA) nor the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) recommends the practice. The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Airport Services Manual Part 1, Rescue and Fire Fighting, Third Edition - 1990, contains a chapter (Chapter 15) on foaming runways for emergency landings. The chapter addresses the theoretical benefits from foaming runways, but then describes the shortcomings of those benefits. It also describes operational problems that should be evaluated to determine the feasibility of foaming a runway.


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Old 04-14-2013, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
The effectiveness of runway foaming is not fully substantiated by the real evidence of operational incident studies. Neither the International Fire Service Training Association (IFSTA) nor the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) recommends the practice. The International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Airport Services Manual Part 1, Rescue and Fire Fighting, Third Edition - 1990, contains a chapter (Chapter 15) on foaming runways for emergency landings. The chapter addresses the theoretical benefits from foaming runways, but then describes the shortcomings of those benefits. It also describes operational problems that should be evaluated to determine the feasibility of foaming a runway.
That makes sense and is good information to know. I’d still want the trucks manned and on the taxi ways just in case. I’m sure they were here. The video probably just ended before they got to him.
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
My understanding is that ARFF / foam spraying is not favored anymore due to significant increase in stopping distance and lack of demonstration that it prevents fires at all...
It's also been my understanding that the foam is highly corrosive.
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so thats why I had to divert to PHX that day. was curious when they said it was closed for several hours. Glad no one was hurt
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nice touchdown!
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