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Old 04-03-2011, 10:22 AM
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ok mods-- you merged two different threads about two different instances into one thread...

and you moved a thread about a corporate aircraft to 'safety' when we have no idea what was to be learned either one of these instances yet...


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Old 04-03-2011, 11:03 AM
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Spike, I have no idea who did it, and I have never tried to undo on of these.
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yep, no worries really... always try and figure out why you guys do some things you do

thanks for looking into it promptly.
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GULFSTREAM IDENTIFIES EMPLOYEES KILLED IN G650 CRASH
Two Pilots, Two Flight-Test Engineers Die During Flight Testing In New Mexico

SAVANNAH, Ga., April 3, 2011 — Gulfstream Aerospace Corp. today identified the four employees killed in the crash of a Gulfstream G650 during flight testing in Roswell, N.M.

Experimental test pilots Kent Crenshaw and Vivan Ragusa and technical specialists David McCollum and Reece Ollenburg died in the April 2 accident. All four were residents of Savannah.

"We mourn the loss of our colleagues and friends and extend our deepest sympathies to their families," said Joe Lombardo, president, Gulfstream. "The Gulfstream team has already rallied to support the people these men left behind, and we know that the local and aviation communities will do the same. On their behalf, we ask for your kindness, support and understanding as they, and the rest of the Gulfstream family, grieve the passing of these fine professionals."

Crenshaw, 64, joined Gulfstream in August 1997. He leaves behind a wife and adult son.

Ollenburg, 48, had been with Gulfstream since June 2009. He is survived by his wife and three children.

Ragusa, 51, was hired at Gulfstream in 2007. He is survived by his wife and three children.

McCollum, 47, who started working at Gulfstream in 2006, is survived by his parents.

The ultra-large-cabin, ultra-long-range Gulfstream G650 crashed April 2 during takeoff-performance tests at the Roswell International Air Center Airport in Roswell.
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Originally Posted by QuietSpike
ok mods-- you merged two different threads about two different instances into one thread...

and you moved a thread about a corporate aircraft to 'safety' when we have no idea what was to be learned either one of these instances yet...


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I merged them, unfortunately, as you point out, two different crashes.

We started the Safety forum just for such incidents and accidents.

I can't undo it, but I'll try and reconstruct the previous thread.

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Old 04-03-2011, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
I merged them, unfortunately, as you point out, two different crashes.

We started the Safety forum just for such incidents and accidents.

I can't undo it, but I'll try and reconstruct the previous thread.

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Old 04-04-2011, 10:01 AM
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Godspeed, brothers.
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Old 04-07-2011, 01:42 PM
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Get ready for Gulfstream to blame the pilots so that their precious flagship program is not harmed.

From Flying Magazine:




As it works with the NTSB to determine the cause of the crash of a Gulfstream G650 flight test airplane, the company has decided to temporarily suspend flight activities for the remaining four flight test articles. In a press release issued on Wednesday, Pres Henne, senior vice president for programs, engineering and test for Gulfstream, said "We are participating fully in the aircraft investigation and will only resume flying the G650 when we and the Federal Aviation Administration are satisfied it is safe to do so."

The FAA also issued its preliminary report detailing what it knows about the crash. The G650, it said, was performing a take off with a simulated engine failure to determine take-off distance requirements at minimum flap setting. After it hit a wingtip on the runway and its gear collapsed, the airplane, according to the investigator, became fully involved in flames as it slid down the runway. It came to rest just 200 feet from the control tower, the report said.
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Originally Posted by QuietSpike
Get ready for Gulfstream to blame the pilots so that their precious flagship program is not harmed.
Totally incorrect. Mr. Lombardo and Mr. Henne are men of exceedingly high integrity. This I know from personal experience. They would never blame these deceased pilots unless the evidence was clear to all (including the FAA and NTSB). They would spend what was necessary to fix any design flaw, then move forward. Take that to the bank.

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Agree with Carl's opinion on Mr. Lombardo and Mr. Henne.

Here's the factual report:

Accident ID DCA11MA076 Mode Aviation occurred on April 02, 2011 in Roswell, NM United States Last Modified on March 05, 2012 17:03 Public Released on March 05, 2012 17:03 Total 30 document items

Still reviewing it for my take on the probable cause.

It concerns me that nobody could get the cabin door open. Perhaps there just was not time.
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