NTSB- Delta B767 taxiway landing ATL
11-17-2010, 07:43 PM
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I wonder if its possible to reconfigure a sim to have it "move" you offset of a runway a few hundred feet above while you're about to touchdown to an adjacent taxiway to see the reaction. The idea being to simulate the psychological experience of where you totally believed you were lined up and over the threshold but at the last few seconds were not to see if you'd go around or just plant it where it was. Would be interesting to try it at 50 above, 100 above, etc.
It's not like there aren't enough lights to illuminate that stuff, even in night/VFR conditions.
11-17-2010, 08:14 PM
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So, am I reading this right? Did these two fly a 10 hour all nighter with no breaks? The LCA was the third pilot and was unable to perform after his, (first), break.
If so, four seconds is very little time. Fatigue may be the real issue here.
If so, four seconds is very little time. Fatigue may be the real issue here.
11-18-2010, 09:07 AM
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Jeeze, the NTSB is finally starting to recognize what we've all known for years, and we still have people second guessing both the crew and the NTSB!
11-25-2010, 04:07 PM
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The fact the crew was released back to duty with a light punishment came down to two things. First there were numerous safety complaints by pilots on file that the new taxiway LED lighting appeared like a runway from the air and looked like white lights. The second was that when the FAA tried to recreate the event their own pilots pilots lined up on the taxi way also without intending to. Its a good lesson to all pilots that if you see something wrong put in a safety report. It may help save someone else later.
11-26-2010, 11:36 AM
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The fact the crew was released back to duty with a light punishment came down to two things. First there were numerous safety complaints by pilots on file that the new taxiway LED lighting appeared like a runway from the air and looked like white lights. The second was that when the FAA tried to recreate the event their own pilots pilots lined up on the taxi way also without intending to. Its a good lesson to all pilots that if you see something wrong put in a safety report. It may help save someone else later.
11-26-2010, 11:41 AM
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11-26-2010, 11:58 AM
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11-29-2010, 01:22 PM
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The fact the crew was released back to duty with a light punishment came down to two things. First there were numerous safety complaints by pilots on file that the new taxiway LED lighting appeared like a runway from the air and looked like white lights. The second was that when the FAA tried to recreate the event their own pilots pilots lined up on the taxi way also without intending to. Its a good lesson to all pilots that if you see something wrong put in a safety report. It may help save someone else later.
A little clarification.....the FAA's Flight Check did recreate the situation.
They didn't 'unknowingly' line up on the taxiway as the wording of the above posts led me to believe. During the recreation, they noted some definite environmental/airport lighting/signage factors which would have contributed to the confusion.
I will agree now having seen some video and such that it was tough conditions that aircrew found themselves in and I'm glad that everything worked out OK for all.
That's all I have to say about that
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11-29-2010, 01:24 PM
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Sorry, not buying that this was a good decision to knowingly land on a taxiway. They got lucky.
11-29-2010, 02:19 PM
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Absolutely agree they got lucky - how often are the taxiways in ATL vacant?
The point being, finally the NTSB is starting to look behind the pointless label of pilot error. No $#!+ Sherlock, of course there is often a pilot error involved, the REAL question is WHY did the pilot make the error, and what needs to be done to prevent it from happening in the future.
The point being, finally the NTSB is starting to look behind the pointless label of pilot error. No $#!+ Sherlock, of course there is often a pilot error involved, the REAL question is WHY did the pilot make the error, and what needs to be done to prevent it from happening in the future.
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