Elmendorf C-17 crashes in Air Show
12-14-2010, 08:39 PM
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Its sad to see that video knowing several people lost their lives,,,,,
But its also sad knowing that this accident was completely avoidable.
Having once been in the AF and having the luxury of working on 17 as a civie, i just cant believe we still have these kinds of mishaps
FatBoy nailed it,,,,the flaps had just gone full up for "maybe" 2 seconds before the aircraft is banked right hard....with an aircraft that uses spoilers for roll mind you......sucks.......textbook preventable aircraft crash.....
The ONLY glimmer of hope is that the Air Force Released this video so we can learn from others mistakes
But its also sad knowing that this accident was completely avoidable.
Having once been in the AF and having the luxury of working on 17 as a civie, i just cant believe we still have these kinds of mishaps
FatBoy nailed it,,,,the flaps had just gone full up for "maybe" 2 seconds before the aircraft is banked right hard....with an aircraft that uses spoilers for roll mind you......sucks.......textbook preventable aircraft crash.....
The ONLY glimmer of hope is that the Air Force Released this video so we can learn from others mistakes
12-14-2010, 08:47 PM
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Understood. The odd thing to me, is that up to the end of the video, when they're losing altitude rapidly, the aircraft's performance (while spectacular) doesn't look any more extreme than the other C-17 demo's I've seen. I was also under the impression that the C-17's fly by wire had airbus style protections from stalling, etc... but obviously not. Thanks for the insight.
12-14-2010, 09:52 PM
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Dont take offense please,,,,but the only thing spectacular is that at a professional military trained aircrew allowed themselves to stall an aircraft too close to the ground to recover. They probably applied full opposite aileron and maybe rudder, but that prob made it worse.
12-17-2010, 08:19 AM
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Not sure if it's been posted, but the AIB is out. If you don't wish to read it all, fly within the limits of your aircraft and if your aircraft stall system is telling you that you are stalling...recover!
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12-17-2010, 11:32 AM
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SIB = Releasable only to proper safety channels. (Tries to stop it from happening again)
12-17-2010, 12:05 PM
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I don't remember one ever being released (with authority)
Of course I'm referring to Hultgreen here.
Remember when a SIR was never conducted on the Italian EA-6B/cable car mishap because the President at the time stated that ALL info would be shared?
JagMan - releaseable.
Grumble - you said a mouth full here. Sad, sad, sad.
It is just painful to read.
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