Elmendorf C-17 crashes in Air Show
12-11-2010, 04:24 PM
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YouTube - Raw Video: Military Releases C-17 Crash Footage
For those who have heard the cockpit voice recorder and seen the rest of the video, this is sickening.
For those who have heard the cockpit voice recorder and seen the rest of the video, this is sickening.
12-11-2010, 05:40 PM
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YouTube - Raw Video: Military Releases C-17 Crash Footage
For those who have heard the cockpit voice recorder and seen the rest of the video, this is sickening.
For those who have heard the cockpit voice recorder and seen the rest of the video, this is sickening.
12-12-2010, 01:19 PM
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Question for you heavy guys, based on that video. Obviously this guy did everything he could, but I can't help but wonder...
Near then end, why not unload the wings a bit and roll back to level, then bring the nose back up. From the third person camera view, it appeared they would have had the altitude to do this (not the case in the infamous B-52 crash incident). It looks like they kept the back pressure in, keeping the wings loaded, which made rolling out of the bank impossible. Could this have been panic, or is there a technical phenomenon that I'm not considering that prevented this?
High wing loading is the only reason I can think of that the plane wasn't able to be rolled level. I supposed I'll eventually have access to the CVR, but I try to learn from these types of things.
Near then end, why not unload the wings a bit and roll back to level, then bring the nose back up. From the third person camera view, it appeared they would have had the altitude to do this (not the case in the infamous B-52 crash incident). It looks like they kept the back pressure in, keeping the wings loaded, which made rolling out of the bank impossible. Could this have been panic, or is there a technical phenomenon that I'm not considering that prevented this?
High wing loading is the only reason I can think of that the plane wasn't able to be rolled level. I supposed I'll eventually have access to the CVR, but I try to learn from these types of things.
12-12-2010, 03:11 PM
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Question for you heavy guys, based on that video. Obviously this guy did everything he could, but I can't help but wonder...
Near then end, why not unload the wings a bit and roll back to level, then bring the nose back up. From the third person camera view, it appeared they would have had the altitude to do this (not the case in the infamous B-52 crash incident). It looks like they kept the back pressure in, keeping the wings loaded, which made rolling out of the bank impossible. Could this have been panic, or is there a technical phenomenon that I'm not considering that prevented this?
High wing loading is the only reason I can think of that the plane wasn't able to be rolled level. I supposed I'll eventually have access to the CVR, but I try to learn from these types of things.
Near then end, why not unload the wings a bit and roll back to level, then bring the nose back up. From the third person camera view, it appeared they would have had the altitude to do this (not the case in the infamous B-52 crash incident). It looks like they kept the back pressure in, keeping the wings loaded, which made rolling out of the bank impossible. Could this have been panic, or is there a technical phenomenon that I'm not considering that prevented this?
High wing loading is the only reason I can think of that the plane wasn't able to be rolled level. I supposed I'll eventually have access to the CVR, but I try to learn from these types of things.
There is nothing to learn from the CVR. This video is convincing evidence of how not to fly heavy aircraft. Surprisingly there is very little said on the CVR of any value other than hearing someone's friend, husband, brother, dad, or son's last words.
The big picture here is, don't exceed your aircraft's capabilities. And if you ever get near a stall, or perhaps inadvertently into a deep stall, immediately initiate recovery procedures.
12-12-2010, 03:23 PM
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Detpilot:
There is nothing to learn from the CVR. This video is convincing evidence of how not to fly heavy aircraft. Surprisingly there is very little said on the CVR of any value other than hearing someone's friend, husband, brother, dad, or son's last words.
The big picture here is, don't exceed your aircraft's capabilities. And if you ever get near a stall, or perhaps inadvertently into a deep stall, immediately initiate recovery procedures.
There is nothing to learn from the CVR. This video is convincing evidence of how not to fly heavy aircraft. Surprisingly there is very little said on the CVR of any value other than hearing someone's friend, husband, brother, dad, or son's last words.
The big picture here is, don't exceed your aircraft's capabilities. And if you ever get near a stall, or perhaps inadvertently into a deep stall, immediately initiate recovery procedures.
12-12-2010, 04:05 PM
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The difference being, in this situation, the aircraft was way too slow for a clean wing and banked too high (nearly wings vertical). The aircraft was rapidly put into a deep stall and initial stall warnings were ignored.
12-13-2010, 10:16 PM
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dd
Near then end, why not unload the wings a bit and roll back to level, then bring the nose back up. From the third person camera view, it appeared they would have had the altitude to do this (not the case in the infamous B-52 crash incident). It looks like they kept the back pressure in, keeping the wings loaded, which made rolling out of the bank impossible. Could this have been panic, or is there a technical phenomenon that I'm not considering that prevented this?
Near then end, why not unload the wings a bit and roll back to level, then bring the nose back up. From the third person camera view, it appeared they would have had the altitude to do this (not the case in the infamous B-52 crash incident). It looks like they kept the back pressure in, keeping the wings loaded, which made rolling out of the bank impossible. Could this have been panic, or is there a technical phenomenon that I'm not considering that prevented this?
I guess once you're in a stall with the wings vertical there's not much you can do.
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