Another MD-11 crash....
07-27-2010, 05:20 AM
#11
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Reading the above report it appears that they had a cargo fire and were in a hurry to put her down. Perhaps there is more to the story than just a hard landing.
Bottom line, very good that the crew is alive.
Bottom line, very good that the crew is alive.
07-27-2010, 05:28 AM
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JACDEC says there may have been a hard landing involved:
On approach to runway 33L (lengh: 4205 meters) at Riyadh International Airport, the crew declared an emergency because of an onboard fire inidication. Some ground wittnesses observed the MD-11 was trailing smoke while on final approach. After coming to a standstill the fire intensified causing its fuselage to fail just aft of the wings. Both crewmembers were able to escape with injuries. The aircraft is a complete loss. According to other reports the damage may have resulted from a hard landing. Local weather conditions at the time were fine with clear skies moderate winds from the north and unlimited visibility.
NOTE: This accident represents the 8th hull loss of an MD-11 and the 2nd hull loss for a Lufthansa Cargo aircraft.
Here's their MD-11 accident statistics PDF: http://www.jacdec.de/statistics/types/review_MD-11.pdf
Just glad everyone got out!
On approach to runway 33L (lengh: 4205 meters) at Riyadh International Airport, the crew declared an emergency because of an onboard fire inidication. Some ground wittnesses observed the MD-11 was trailing smoke while on final approach. After coming to a standstill the fire intensified causing its fuselage to fail just aft of the wings. Both crewmembers were able to escape with injuries. The aircraft is a complete loss. According to other reports the damage may have resulted from a hard landing. Local weather conditions at the time were fine with clear skies moderate winds from the north and unlimited visibility.
NOTE: This accident represents the 8th hull loss of an MD-11 and the 2nd hull loss for a Lufthansa Cargo aircraft.
Here's their MD-11 accident statistics PDF: http://www.jacdec.de/statistics/types/review_MD-11.pdf
Just glad everyone got out!
07-27-2010, 05:41 AM
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Reading the preliminary reports of onboard fire (any pilot's 2nd worst nightmare, just behind the flight attendant dialing his wife), I am very happy that FedEx STC'd the cargo fire suppression system. That gives me a warm fuzzy at FL320 at 30 West.
I heard that there is a possibility that the government may mandate that all cargo aircraft flying certain types of haz (batteries) will have to have this system installed. I heard that's why we rushed to develop and patent the product.
At any rate, glad it's onboard some of our jets.
I heard that there is a possibility that the government may mandate that all cargo aircraft flying certain types of haz (batteries) will have to have this system installed. I heard that's why we rushed to develop and patent the product.
At any rate, glad it's onboard some of our jets.
07-27-2010, 05:57 AM
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Reading the preliminary reports of onboard fire (any pilot's 2nd worst nightmare, just behind the flight attendant dialing his wife), I am very happy that FedEx STC'd the cargo fire suppression system. That gives me a warm fuzzy at FL320 at 30 West.
I heard that there is a possibility that the government may mandate that all cargo aircraft flying certain types of haz (batteries) will have to have this system installed. I heard that's why we rushed to develop and patent the product.
At any rate, glad it's onboard some of our jets.
I heard that there is a possibility that the government may mandate that all cargo aircraft flying certain types of haz (batteries) will have to have this system installed. I heard that's why we rushed to develop and patent the product.
At any rate, glad it's onboard some of our jets.
Last edited by 757upspilot; 07-27-2010 at 06:58 AM.
07-27-2010, 06:54 AM
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Kudos to the crew for walking away from this one.
07-27-2010, 07:22 AM
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You haven't flown it. It has been good to me for 1/4 of my life. Lot o hours. Just needs to be flown, you know, like an airplane. Not sure any "design deficiency" will be cited in this incident, which would mean your comment is not relevant to this thread.
Cheers
07-27-2010, 07:26 AM
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On a side note...can we get these terms put in our next contract? Although I'm currently an "assistant," someday, many years in the future, probably after Age 70 is passed, I hope to be a "Commander." Sounds better than "Captain," IMHO. Lends a certain international flair to it. Carry on with the "MD-11 is a death trap discussion."
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