US Air crash
01-17-2009, 03:54 AM
#342
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NOT a text book ditch.
IMHO, it was NOT a text-book ditch because in all the years I have been in aviation not once have I practiced a dual flameout immediately after take off. Not once have I ever had a V1 cut followed by a flame out on number 2, unless the runway was made, or the instructor just wanted to mess with me.
When I think of ditching, I think icebergs over the north Atlantic or where ever, with a slow controlled descent with plenty of time to accomplish ALL procedures. This was seat of the pants flying. I'm tired of the media saying he was trained for this. Such statements takes away from his flying skills. He was a test pilot, and did a great job.
When I think of ditching, I think icebergs over the north Atlantic or where ever, with a slow controlled descent with plenty of time to accomplish ALL procedures. This was seat of the pants flying. I'm tired of the media saying he was trained for this. Such statements takes away from his flying skills. He was a test pilot, and did a great job.
01-17-2009, 05:15 AM
#344
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Maybe, maybe not. Probably the first time he has had to wear one, in addition to his first ditching into cold water in January. If you are in shock and experiencing some hypothermia the obvious isn't always so obvious.
01-17-2009, 05:59 AM
#345
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Probably the first time he has had to wear one, in addition to his first ditching into cold water in January
But the guy still looks like the world's biggest idiot!
This picture will follow him around forever. It'll even be in his obituary (which, fortunately, won't be appearing this week).
01-17-2009, 06:05 AM
#346
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True, Lab Rat, and you no doubt are a fine, giving, caring person.
But the guy still looks like the world's biggest idiot!
01-17-2009, 07:04 AM
#348
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01-17-2009, 07:19 AM
#349
Am I Wrong??????????
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I am sure the crew did wonderful, however, to play Devils Advocate. How often have you heard of a bird strike causing one engine to flame out, let alone two? According to Flight Aware, the aircraft made it to 3200 feet, possible on one engine. Perhaps, maybe I am reaching, during all the confusion one of the guys shutdown the wrong engine, I know this has happend before. I hope that is not what happend, but stranger things have happend.
Theres no way they could have gotten the engine shut down checklists done in that amount of time....the A319/20/21 are pretty self sufficient....they can take care of themselves. Now just because everyone reported flames outta the left engine only...doesnt mean they were producing full thrust outta the right side. EWR and TEB wouldnt have been able to clear the traffic out soon enough....its possible that much more damage could have been caused that way.
01-17-2009, 07:35 AM
#350
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IMHO, it was NOT a text-book ditch because in all the years I have been in aviation not once have I practiced a dual flameout immediately after take off. Not once have I ever had a V1 cut followed by a flame out on number 2, unless the runway was made, or the instructor just wanted to mess with me.
When I think of ditching, I think icebergs over the north Atlantic or where ever, with a slow controlled descent with plenty of time to accomplish ALL procedures. This was seat of the pants flying. I'm tired of the media saying he was trained for this. Such statements takes away from his flying skills. He was a test pilot, and did a great job.
When I think of ditching, I think icebergs over the north Atlantic or where ever, with a slow controlled descent with plenty of time to accomplish ALL procedures. This was seat of the pants flying. I'm tired of the media saying he was trained for this. Such statements takes away from his flying skills. He was a test pilot, and did a great job.
Our sim instructors are pretty creative though. I've been given dual flameouts on take off, on approach(to far to make runway) and one to a landing on an aircraft carrier. The carrier landing wasn't very pretty. What's the signal for a wave off anyways. Of course this was during the training phase, not the testing phase.
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