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Old 08-24-2024, 01:29 PM
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Lets not forget Alaska, unlike most other airlines, currenty does not have a limit on mental disability; at least not one I can find in the contract.
I think you're correct.
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All disability claims come attached to restrictions, limitations and liabilities. Can't draft fitness policy/standards based on carrier benefit plans.
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All disability claims come attached to restrictions, limitations and liabilities. Can't draft fitness policy/standards based on carrier benefit plans.
well I just looked it up. An Alaska Pilot is “Disabled” if they can’t hold a Class 2 medical, until age 65.

so the FAA Class 2 Medical is the restriction, limitation, and liability. With the obvious exceptions of war, and disabling yourself on purpose.
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Old 08-25-2024, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
well I just looked it up. An Alaska Pilot is “Disabled” if they can’t hold a Class 2 medical, until age 65.

so the FAA Class 2 Medical is the restriction, limitation, and liability. With the obvious exceptions of war, and disabling yourself on purpose.
How about holding on to your driver's license? Collecting SS. Moving on with a normal life.
  • Restrictions: These are what someone is physically unable to do on a sustained basis.
  • Limitations: These are what someone is limited in doing, even if they can perform the activity for a short amount of time.
  • Disability: It encompasses impairments, activity limitations, and participation restrictions.
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Originally Posted by METO Guido
How about holding on to your driver's license? Collecting SS. Moving on with a normal life.
  • Restrictions: These are what someone is physically unable to do on a sustained basis.
  • Limitations: These are what someone is limited in doing, even if they can perform the activity for a short amount of time.
  • Disability: It encompasses impairments, activity limitations, and participation restrictions.
I believe I just told you. The restrictions are the requirements of the FAA medical. There are lots of conditions that you can lose your medical but still drive, work and collect SS.

We can get any job (at another company) we want that does not require a class 2 medical and there is no offset.

we have to be under the care of a doctor, proving we can’t hold a medical and need to submit proof no more often than six months.

always make sure you have a disability policy that says you are disabled if you can’t do “your job”. Ones that say you are only disabled if you can’t work at all suck.
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
I believe I just told you. The restrictions are the requirements of the FAA medical. There are lots of conditions that you can lose your medical but still drive, work and collect SS.

We can get any job (at another company) we want that does not require a class 2 medical and there is no offset.

we have to be under the care of a doctor, proving we can’t hold a medical and need to submit proof no more often than six months.

always make sure you have a disability policy that says you are disabled if you can’t do “your job”. Ones that say you are only disabled if you can’t work at all suck.
Not arguing. We’re saying similar things using different terms. Go out on a psych disability, no hiding that. Engage or participate in activities where another party is damaged in some way by failure to disclose or neglect adhering to limitations, could be deemed culpable in a liability/tort filing.

SSRI therapy for depression as approved under special issuance meds come attached to hims oversight. Treatment for unstable behavior resting in the hands of assessment specialists. Opinions vary. Brave leap with no going back to Kansas.
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Originally Posted by Halon1211
yes, it is a great story story. A great story of why you should never do drugs.
"These are your T handles on drugs. Any questions?"

CBreezy is right about him being able to get his ratings back.

IMHO.

Plenty of HIMS pilots flying today.

Plenty of them flew under the influence before they checked in and got healthy.

Over the years, I've flown with far more pilots who were majorly distracted with divorce, cheating spouses (often clinically crazy), kids who are misbehaving in borderline criminal ways than those who may or may not be under the influence.

They really had no business being in the cockpit. But it was their refuge; where else were they going to go?

"When I was young, I prayed for justice. When I was old, I prayed for mercy."

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A man who is afraid to seek medical help for fear that he is not medically qualified, is unafraid to take illegal drugs and then fly while under the influence; commits a crime and puts lives in jeopardy, and finds it unfair that he couldn't risk his medical to come clean. He couldn't afford to risk his mortgage, but could afford illegal drugs, and yet it's the fault of the FAA.

What truly dizzying, ironic, pseudo-intellictual, self-serving bull ****. How stupid must one be to sympathize?

Don't answer: it's rhetorical. And obvious.
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A man who is afraid to seek medical help for fear that he is not medically qualified, is unafraid to take illegal drugs and then fly while under the influence; commits a crime and puts lives in jeopardy, and finds it unfair that he couldn't risk his medical to come clean. He couldn't afford to risk his mortgage, but could afford illegal drugs, and yet it's the fault of the FAA.

What truly dizzying, ironic, pseudo-intellictual, self-serving bull ****. How stupid must one be to sympathize?

Don't answer: it's rhetorical. And obvious.
Well..yes. Joe has issues. Want to help Joe, help support his AS family. Tough on them, has to be. Relying on inadequate regulatory treatment policy as excuse is lame defense strategy. Plea dude
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Well..yes. Joe has issues. Want to help Joe, help support his AS family. Tough on them, has to be. Relying on inadequate regulatory treatment policy as excuse is lame defense strategy. Plea dude
But that is the issue. Regardless of how much the FAA sucks, and they suck at everything, Alaska Airlines disability policy did not suck. He could have asked for help, gone on disability and had half his pay until he was 65. He would have had a chance to get his medical back. Even if he never got his medical back he wouldn’t disability benefits until 65. Instead he chose to self medicate and lost it all. Now he has zero chance of getting his medical back.

if he was at any other airline and went out on a mental disability his benefits would have been limited to 52 weeks. Not age 65.
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