SWA FLT 2786 to LIH
06-15-2024, 05:31 AM
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06-15-2024, 07:27 AM
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With something like this, I guess both pilots were overwhelmed.
06-15-2024, 07:39 AM
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When the WX is near mins you really need to go over the actions and callouts of a missed approach not only together in the brief but let it play out in your head several times, you don't want any surprises. This shouldn't need to be said but apparently it's been a thing, not just at SWA.
06-15-2024, 08:58 AM
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When the WX is near mins you really need to go over the actions and callouts of a missed approach not only together in the brief but let it play out in your head several times, you don't want any surprises. This shouldn't need to be said but apparently it's been a thing, not just at SWA.
If it looks like a GA might be in the cards, I'll verbally review the entire procedure during the brief. Or inside the marker if that's when it looks iffy. Or if I get tight on the traffic ahead... that's probably the #1 cause of GA's on the West coast.
06-15-2024, 11:34 AM
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I'm not flying anymore but plenty of glass cockpit time. Yes, all that neat automation is great, but a G/A should be simple--pitch in a jet to somewhere around 15*, enough thrust to maintain speed while climbing at around 2000fpm, maybe less. I'd bet most PP students in a 172 do fine, but add in a lightweight jet, lots of thrust and acceleration, trying to remember a few MCP entries, it'd be easier hand flown.
I've done hundreds of 4 and sim 3-engine goes in the C-5 and rarely a problem, but it was simple
I've done hundreds of 4 and sim 3-engine goes in the C-5 and rarely a problem, but it was simple
06-15-2024, 11:46 AM
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When the WX is near mins you really need to go over the actions and callouts of a missed approach not only together in the brief but let it play out in your head several times, you don't want any surprises. This shouldn't need to be said but apparently it's been a thing, not just at SWA.
06-15-2024, 09:41 PM
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When the WX is near mins you really need to go over the actions and callouts of a missed approach not only together in the brief but let it play out in your head several times, you don't want any surprises. This shouldn't need to be said but apparently it's been a thing, not just at SWA.
06-16-2024, 04:28 AM
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FFSs have great fidelity, however, with their limitations. Due to movements on their pitch axis, simulators can't truly simulate the total effects of Somatogravic illusions. This, illusion, was included by me, during sim and aircraft training, especially with new F/O's coming from the EMB-110, for example. During the approach brief, the threat and mitigation techniques, needs to be included, with all pilots new to high performance aircraft with tons of thrust.
06-16-2024, 07:21 AM
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Also classic vertigo reaction (push over) due to high thrust to weight ratios on go-arounds. Fun in day VFR, gotta be careful in IMC, especially if at night and in turbulence. No clue if this was vertigo related.
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