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Old 04-19-2024, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
I disagree. When an aircraft is lined up for takeoff, but not cleared, they have most the lights on already. On the 737, the difference between "line up and wait" and "cleared for takeoff" is the difference between 5 lights and 7 lights. Kind of hard to tell from far away the difference between a lot of lights, and ALL the lights.
It appeared they were close enough to see the Jetblue rolling, they were less than 1000 apart. But you can't tell for sure from the youtube. As I said SWA might well have hit the brakes plenty early, just didn't get a word in until ATC told them to stop.

I agree that the lights don't tell you much.
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Old 04-19-2024, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It appeared they were close enough to see the Jetblue rolling, they were less than 1000 apart. But you can't tell for sure from the youtube. As I said SWA might well have hit the brakes plenty early, just didn't get a word in until ATC told them to stop.

I agree that the lights don't tell you much.
From the recording Jetblue appears to be already on Tower when SWA was cleared to cross 4, so no way for them to know SWA was cleared to cross other than visual... Totally agree it sounds SWA hit brakes even before commanded, said "we're stopping" as if they saw the roll already.

Looks like if Jetblue didn't abort still would have cleared, but not sure how accurate VASA reconstructions and information is.

I know in the old days we didn't know about every single one of these near misses, but man... this one is pretty bad.
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