Accident today, Naples FL...
02-13-2024, 10:10 AM
#21
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Hop-A-Jet has the highest platinum rating with ARGUS and has been rated since 2012. So if you can believe ARGUS they're not a "fly by night" operater.
The fuel they took on at OSU was just 2025lbs, around an hour's worth as others have stated.
Once we see the FDR and CVR readouts we'll know a lot more. You would think if it was fuel starvation they would have at least declared "min fuel". And I'm assuming the 604 would give a low fuel warning.
On other aviation websites speculation is the fuel iced up. But with either fuel/oil heat exchanger or another fuel heating system I don't see how that could happen. I almost never took prist once I got off the Citation Ultra. We were supposed to take it rarely just to kill off any growths in the fuel tanks.
The fuel they took on at OSU was just 2025lbs, around an hour's worth as others have stated.
Once we see the FDR and CVR readouts we'll know a lot more. You would think if it was fuel starvation they would have at least declared "min fuel". And I'm assuming the 604 would give a low fuel warning.
On other aviation websites speculation is the fuel iced up. But with either fuel/oil heat exchanger or another fuel heating system I don't see how that could happen. I almost never took prist once I got off the Citation Ultra. We were supposed to take it rarely just to kill off any growths in the fuel tanks.
02-13-2024, 07:00 PM
#22
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Here's the dash cam video:
https://www.threads.net/@bnonews/post/C3Q_68eAw51/
YouTuber Dan Gryder's Sunday night livestream included audio of the crew requesting 300 gallons/negative prist at OSU. That's the minimum fuel purchase to avoid fees at that FBO.
https://www.threads.net/@bnonews/post/C3Q_68eAw51/
YouTuber Dan Gryder's Sunday night livestream included audio of the crew requesting 300 gallons/negative prist at OSU. That's the minimum fuel purchase to avoid fees at that FBO.
02-14-2024, 06:11 AM
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02-14-2024, 06:43 AM
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02-18-2024, 04:23 PM
#28
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That's why I said "if you can believe ARGUS". The LearJet @ TEB was a company that had an ARGUS Gold rating that was revoked the day after the accident. That accident had a F/O who wasn't supposed to be handling the controls. They were incredibly behind the jet.
02-19-2024, 09:42 AM
#29
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Lattest scuttlebut is bad fuel. Story I heard is that this was a rescue for another operator that apparently got some type of fuel filter bypass warning on taxi out. As I understand, they only took on the min 300 gallons to waive the ramp fee. Again, just a story I'm hearing, but seems very plausible. I think we can all agree that there was fuel on board when they crashed with how badly it burned.
I'm wondering if we're lookin at a BA38 type situation?
British Airways Flight 38 - Wikipedia
I'm wondering if we're lookin at a BA38 type situation?
British Airways Flight 38 - Wikipedia
02-19-2024, 10:20 AM
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Lattest scuttlebut is bad fuel. Story I heard is that this was a rescue for another operator that apparently got some type of fuel filter bypass warning on taxi out. As I understand, they only took on the min 300 gallons to waive the ramp fee. Again, just a story I'm hearing, but seems very plausible. I think we can all agree that there was fuel on board when they crashed with how badly it burned.
I'm wondering if we're lookin at a BA38 type situation?
British Airways Flight 38 - Wikipedia
I'm wondering if we're lookin at a BA38 type situation?
British Airways Flight 38 - Wikipedia
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