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Old 01-03-2024, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
"You only had one job" (at least they didn't run over an evacuating passenger)
If that's a reference to Asiana 214 at KSFO, of the three dead, one was run over by a responding rescue vehicle. Initial determination was that the victim had been alive, but was later determined dead when struck by the vehicle. That victim was one of two ejected when not wearing seatbelts. The third victim was wearing a seatbelt, but killed when the L4 door separated and struck the victim.
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Old 01-04-2024, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
In the US the default configuration seems to be that when the controller keys the mic it goes out on both UHF and VHF for that reason. That way at least one side of the conversation should be audible.

If Japan doesn't do that, I imagine they will be soon.
They do transmit on both at all the airports I flew into, never flew into RJTT, but you don’t hear the response. That is a small hole in the Swiss cheese.
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Old 01-04-2024, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's for certification, under ideal conditions: all exits work, pax know what's coming, and are not in fear for their lives... or their luggage.

In fairness, the standard seems to translate to excellent survivability in the real world.
A percentage of the exits, unknown to the test group, are blocked or inoperative. There has to be a representative age groups, not all heathy atheletes.
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Old 01-04-2024, 04:01 PM
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Presently reporting is that egress was conducted through three exits, due to fire. Two forward, one aft.
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Old 01-04-2024, 06:21 PM
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According to this -- and I couldn't begin to vouch for it's authenticity nor accurracy -- the A350 was cleared to land 10 seconds before the DH8 checked in on the same frequency.
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Old 01-04-2024, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
A percentage of the exits, unknown to the test group, are blocked or inoperative. There has to be a representative age groups, not all heathy atheletes.
Didn't know they blocked exits. But everybody in the tests know their life is not in danger, and presumably none of them take luggage... for realism, they should require 30% to take their "carry-on" size luggage down the slide with them, after wrestling it out of the bin it's jammed into.
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Old 01-04-2024, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Didn't know they blocked exits. But everybody in the tests know their life is not in danger, and presumably none of them take luggage... for realism, they should require 30% to take their "carry-on" size luggage down the slide with them, after wrestling it out of the bin it's jammed into.
Then light a fire under the airplane, require 90% of the test subject to wear something highly flammable, with open toed shoes, or take the shoes off prior to evacuating, and for good measure, liberally spread sharp fuel-soaked metal everywhere during the exit, and twist the fuselage or break it open, smoke it up, and shake the living hell out of the test subjects before they start the timer.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Then light a fire under the airplane, require 90% of the test subject to wear something highly flammable, with open toed shoes, or take the shoes off prior to evacuating, and for good measure, liberally spread sharp fuel-soaked metal everywhere during the exit, and twist the fuselage or break it open, smoke it up, and shake the living hell out of the test subjects before they start the timer.
Were you a creative sadist in your previous life?
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Were you a creative sadist in your previous life?
Current life, but only for purposes of obtaining information the hard way.

It's always entertaining to squeeze into an economy seat and see how many people are completely unprepared for an unsuccessful takeoff. Certification standards do nothing to recognize that fact.
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Old 01-05-2024, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Then light a fire under the airplane, require 90% of the test subject to wear something highly flammable, with open toed shoes, or take the shoes off prior to evacuating, and for good measure, liberally spread sharp fuel-soaked metal everywhere during the exit, and twist the fuselage or break it open, smoke it up, and shake the living hell out of the test subjects before they start the timer.
I was joking, the current standard seems to work ok, I recall multiple NB and WB airliners this century rapidly destroyed by flames on the ground with no fatalities.

Runway incursions OTH, regulators might still have some work to do there.
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