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Old 11-23-2023, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by skypine27
Dont want to sift through all 11 pages to see if this has been covered but....

Why was he even in the actual JS? He was charged with "only" 83 counts of attempted muder. Sounds to me like it wasn't full in back? Why was he even in the jumpseat??
An ERJ has about 76 seats. Plus a crew of 4. Plus lap children.
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Old 11-23-2023, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by fenite
An ERJ has about 76 seats. Plus a crew of 4. Plus lap children.
Thanks! I was thinking they were 90 seaters. Makes sense now.
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Old 11-23-2023, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by skypine27
Dont want to sift through all 11 pages to see if this has been covered but....

Why was he even in the actual JS? He was charged with "only" 83 counts of attempted muder. Sounds to me like it wasn't full in back? Why was he even in the jumpseat??
Perhaps you should have read all the posts. Then you'd know.
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Old 11-23-2023, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Perhaps you should have read all the posts. Then you'd know.
Or be able to look up (Planespotter, etc) how many seats on that metal.
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Old 12-05-2023, 03:37 PM
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Presently, Emerson has been indicted on 84 counts: 1 count of endangering an aircraft (first degree), and 83 counts of reckless endangerment. The grand jury failed to return indictments on 83 counts of attempted murder.

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Alaska Airlines pilot indicted for trying to turn off engines mid-flight

BY MIRANDA NAZZARO - 12/05/23 7:59 PM ET
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An Alaska Airlines 737-9 outside Boeing’s Seattle Delivery Center at Boeing Field, Tuesday, June 14, 2022, in Seattle.An off-duty Alaska Airlines pilot accused of trying to turn off the engines during a flight in October was indicted Tuesday by a grand jury in Oregon on 84 charges.

Multnomah County, Ore. District Attorney Mike Schmidt announced on Tuesday the grand jury chose to indict Joseph David Emerson, 44, on 83 counts of recklessly endangering another person and one count of endangering an aircraft in the first degree. Emerson is accused of trying to grab two handles that cut off fuel to its engines during an Oct. 22 Horizon flight.

The jury declined to indict Emerson on the 83 counts of attempted murder, which he was originally charged with when booked at Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office in October. He pleaded not guilty to the initial charges in October, according to ABC News.

Emerson’s attorneys, from LMH Legal Group, said the attempted murder charges were “never appropriate” because Emerson “never intended to hurt another person or put anyone at risk.”

“He [Emerson] just wanted to return home to his wife and children,” LMH Legal Group wrote in a statement to The Hill. “Simply put: Captain Emerson thought he was in a dream; his actions were taken in a single-minded effort to wake up from that dream and return home to his family.”


Not a great defense to use but it's likely the best he has. Gonna get plead down to a charge of reckless endangerment though for even getting in the cockpit while on psychedelics.

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ORS 163.195
Recklessly endangering another person

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A person commits the crime of recklessly endangering another person if the person recklessly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk of serious physical injury to another person.

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Recklessly endangering another person is a Class A misdemeanor. [1971 c.743 §96]
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Old 12-05-2023, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Not a great defense to use but it's likely the best he has. Gonna get plead down to a charge of reckless endangerment though for even getting in the cockpit while on psychedelics.
Not a matter of pleading down. He was indicated for reckless endangerment of persons, 83 counts.

The grand jury saw fit not to indict on attempted murder.

Other than that, the only other indictment was for endangering an aircraft.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Not a matter of pleading down. He was indicated for reckless endangerment of persons, 83 counts.

The grand jury saw fit not to indict on attempted murder.

Other than that, the only other indictment was for endangering an aircraft.
He can plead down to a single count. They can't let him get away with it any more than they can let a drunk driver get away with it but neither do they charge the drunken driver in the basis of HOW MUCH higher his alcohol was than the legal limit or HOW MANY other drivers were on the particular road that he was driving on.

His legal team is going to make the case that he did one act of reckless endangerment by getting in the jumpseat while intoxicated. That he wasn't responsible for the fact that it was a full aircraft and that if in fact it hadn't been a full aircraft he would have likely been in back and he wouldn't have been endangering anyone. And to a Portland Jury, that argument might just sell.
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Again, it's not a matter of pleading down. He's indicted.

An indictment only outlines what a jury believes merits a trial. He's been charged, and he's been indicated. He now faces trial. Pleading may take place at that stage, but it's not there yet

A grand jury elected to indict for half the charges brought. Whether that gets pleaded down to representative counts, remains to be seen.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Again, it's not a matter of pleading down. He's indicted.

An indictment only outlines what a jury believes merits a trial. He's been charged, and he's been indicated. He now faces trial. Pleading may take place at that stage, but it's not there yet

A grand jury elected to indict for half the charges brought. Whether that gets pleaded down to representative counts, remains to be seen.
Doesn't matter. He'll be found guilty, serve his time, and never fly professionally again; honestly that's all I'm concerned with. This clown has no business being a professional pilot. Good luck to him in the future, he's going to be going uphill for the duration.
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