The new guy

Discharging bottles and subsequently relighting motors certainly would have resulted in a smoke and fumes event that would have complicated things a bit.

rickair7777

No it would not. Halon doesn't go into the compressor (or hot section). Bleed air comes from the compressor.

If you climbed out on the wing, opened the oil access door, stuck your nose in and took a deep breath, then maybe.

Lowslung

Would it though? As others have stated here, extinguishing agent goes into the nacelle, not the hot section where bleed air is drawn for aircraft pressurization. I suppose you might get some “backsplash” into the compressor but I doubt it’d be enough to cause more than a minor, momentary inconvenience in the cabin. During my Air Force career, I can remember a couple of times where guys shut down motors & blew bottles based on erroneous fire lights. As far as I recall, there were some inspections that needed to be done (borescope included I believe - which is a pain for MX), but the engines were fine. Pulling fire handles & blowing bottles into perfectly good engines is never advised but is probably not quite the catastrophic event some have made it out to be.

paulcg77

Agree with this, though I think what people on here either don't mention or forget is that when you lose both engines at cruise and you're simultaneously fighting off someone having a psychotic episode, a lot of other concerns come into play including human factors/errors, even if the individual having the psychotic episode doesn't manage or try to impact other critical systems/controls. It's the heat of the moment with someone acting like a psychopath, not a simulator session. Without going into it in more detail because it isn't appropriate to discuss here, I'm grateful this ended the way it did.

Lowslung

Fair’nuff & agreed.

aeroengineer

Disclaimer: I do not, nor have I ever used controlled substances ESPECIALLY in the context of aviation or the military. I tell people I know who do that the Feds in general and the FAA in particular take a very dim view.That saidI know people who've used psylocibin to help combat depression. I asked their take and they said the problem is there's not a true commercial source with strict quality control (outside of a few legit studies) and it's possible what he took was laced with extra goodies and that would potentially explain his actions. Precise dosaging can be another issue as well as certain underlying conditions like schizophrenia may not mix well and certainly not under the care of a medical professional is a train wreck waiting to happen. Can psylocibin be beneficial as treatment for some disorders? Possibly but it has no place anywhere near aviation as I'm sure we all agree.

Keep in mind you got this information on the internet and it's worth what you paid for it.

rickair7777

In west coast culture these days micro-dosing is all the rage (weed is so last decade, guess they had to move on to the next thing).

But as you say, quality control, and also the fact that some people react very badly to that category of chemistry, and it only takes once to find out the hard way.

GogglesPisano

As Rick mentioned, bleed air is drawn prior to the hot section. Otherwise we'd all be breathing fumes.

Lowslung

Right you are. Bad wording on my part…should’ve said compressor section. I think most get the gist tho.

paulcg77

Agree with you about this, though it isn't just a west coast phenomenon. It certainly is the worst in big west coast cities but people all over the US are dying because their drugs (e.g., cocaine, heroin, etc) are laced with stuff like fentanyl, which can kill you very quickly if you don't have narcan. I'm sure this guy will be getting every single drug test in the book. If the drugs he took were laced with anything, they'll know. With that said, mushrooms are pretty powerful on their own. We don't know if he even micro-dosed or took too much, and as others have pointed out, drugs like shrooms and LSD can have permanent after effects and can affect people in very different ways. All you have to do is read 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' to understand the wildly different, sometimes permanent effects that hallucinogens can have depending on the person. They are not something to experiment with if you've got a job with a lot of responsibility for other people's lives.