QX2059 Jumpseater tries to shutdown engines
10-25-2023, 05:59 PM
#331
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OK folks, we have the definitive coverage on this incident. None other than CNN's Nancy Grace has spoken. For 41 minutes no less. Hey, her husband has lots of pilots in his family so she knows this stuff.
She smells the pilot's breath when she boards a plane. I'm assuming she's flying private, because I don't think that would go over too well on an airline with pilots in the cockpit.
https://youtu.be/stSnSfAU6ck
She smells the pilot's breath when she boards a plane. I'm assuming she's flying private, because I don't think that would go over too well on an airline with pilots in the cockpit.
https://youtu.be/stSnSfAU6ck
10-25-2023, 06:02 PM
#332
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You can expect more probing and an adjustment to the drug testing protocols. This asswipe at Alaska just eff'd over ALL of us flying 121 operations. IDK who this "former airline pilot" is, but he's been all over the major news networks today. This is basically what he's saying and the talking heads are nodding in approval It's coming folks, life as an airline pilot is about to get much more sucky trying to just get to your jet.
But in addition to ALPA, at this point in history the airlines will lobby against anything which makes it harder for us to get to work, or send more of us out on LTD.
10-25-2023, 06:02 PM
#333
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OK folks, we have the definitive coverage on this incident. None other than CNN's Nancy Grace has spoken. For 41 minutes no less. Hey, her husband has lots of pilots in his family so she knows this stuff.
She smells the pilot's breath when she boards a plane. I'm assuming she's flying private, because I don't think that would go over too well on an airline with pilots in the cockpit.
https://youtu.be/stSnSfAU6ck
She smells the pilot's breath when she boards a plane. I'm assuming she's flying private, because I don't think that would go over too well on an airline with pilots in the cockpit.
https://youtu.be/stSnSfAU6ck
10-25-2023, 06:06 PM
#334
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10-25-2023, 06:10 PM
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Any changes will be considered in the context of ALL of the people subject to DOT testing, not just us. That includes millions of truckers... $$$$
They're going to balance threat vs. cost. One incident probably doesn't move the threat needle much.
10-25-2023, 06:28 PM
#336
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Here's what's going to happen:
He will rot in jail for a decade or more.
Nothing else.
This is too deranged of an event to cause any policy changes.
Maybe they will actually enforce background checks for CASS and so on (right now they aren't which is concerning. You can be in CASS and FDJ without ever having any background checks done). But that just means enforcing policies already in place.
He will rot in jail for a decade or more.
Nothing else.
This is too deranged of an event to cause any policy changes.
Maybe they will actually enforce background checks for CASS and so on (right now they aren't which is concerning. You can be in CASS and FDJ without ever having any background checks done). But that just means enforcing policies already in place.
10-25-2023, 07:18 PM
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Sad to see FFDOs salivating at the chance to use their weapons to kill this guy. Luckily I do mostly international trips so the commandoes have to leave their sidearms at home (and before you flip a lid, I’m a multiple gun owner and have a California CCW license).
This was not that a 9/11 scenario. From all sounds of it, he snapped out it enough to comply, walk out of the flight deck when instructed, and then told the FA himself that he needs to be in cuffs for others safety.
This was not that a 9/11 scenario. From all sounds of it, he snapped out it enough to comply, walk out of the flight deck when instructed, and then told the FA himself that he needs to be in cuffs for others safety.
10-25-2023, 07:30 PM
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Sad to see FFDOs salivating at the chance to use their weapons to kill this guy. Luckily I do mostly international trips so the commandoes have to leave their sidearms at home (and before you flip a lid, I’m a multiple gun owner and have a California CCW license).
This was not that a 9/11 scenario. From all sounds of it, he snapped out it enough to comply, walk out of the flight deck when instructed, and then told the FA himself that he needs to be in cuffs for others safety.
This was not that a 9/11 scenario. From all sounds of it, he snapped out it enough to comply, walk out of the flight deck when instructed, and then told the FA himself that he needs to be in cuffs for others safety.
FWIW, no one is salivating. Stop being dramatic. If it comes down to me/80+ innocent people or someone who self medicated too far and could kill us all, and If I was hypothetically an FFDO, then yes, I'd shoot him without thinking twice about it.
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10-25-2023, 07:37 PM
#339
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Sad to see FFDOs salivating at the chance to use their weapons to kill this guy. Luckily I do mostly international trips so the commandoes have to leave their sidearms at home (and before you flip a lid, I’m a multiple gun owner and have a California CCW license).
This was not that a 9/11 scenario. From all sounds of it, he snapped out it enough to comply, walk out of the flight deck when instructed, and then told the FA himself that he needs to be in cuffs for others safety.
This was not that a 9/11 scenario. From all sounds of it, he snapped out it enough to comply, walk out of the flight deck when instructed, and then told the FA himself that he needs to be in cuffs for others safety.
20/20 hindsight is ridiculous, if somebody grabbed the fire handles they would get subdued by the most expeditious means, or any means possible. Even if I happen to actually know the person. You have no idea what the motive or intent is at that point.
You've obviously never been in that kind of situation.
10-25-2023, 07:48 PM
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Mmmm not quite. He "snapped out of it enough to comply" AFTER pulling both handles. The only reason he didn't discharge the bottles is because the crew immediately grabbed his wrist and stopped him, after which a 30 second physical struggle ensued, according to the criminal complaint. He could have very easily killed everyone on board and the only reason he didn't is because of the cockpit crew.
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