QX2059 Jumpseater tries to shutdown engines
10-24-2023, 07:23 AM
#241
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They don't care how you get to work at the dot gov level. That is a management issue. Stop being so naive.
10-24-2023, 07:24 AM
#242
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10-24-2023, 07:28 AM
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so what you’re saying is if he’d just waited until he was occupying the left seat on his flight then our JS privileges would be safe? Then would they ban captains? Where do they draw the line? This is most likely an isolated incident from someone who slipped through the cracks and nothing more, but the investigation will ultimately determine what happened.
10-24-2023, 07:46 AM
#244
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I don’t care what anyone advertises. Every six months it’s an exercise to earn back the right to earn our living. They don’t take it away. You go in with it gone at the end of the month and have to hope the guy with the pen lets you have that right back for another six months.
It’s no wonder people are less than forthcoming with information or forego many versions healthcare so it’s not on the record. The FAA hunting through medical and pharmacy records hoping to find offenders isn’t helping. Now that everything is electronic I bet the level of healthcare avoidance has gone way up from when everything was held in a wall of paper files.
“Oh, we’re here to help you get back to flying if you have an issue” is such BS. What they really mean is they take away your living and make you jump through a bunch of nonsensical hoops and paper pushing and observation periods while your case sits at the bottom of a massive stack of other cases. Meanwhile days, weeks, months, years tick by while you don’t get a paycheck and they are supposed to be the champions helping you get back in the cockpit. My ass. Anything but. Even the best LTD isn’t anywhere close to full income replacement. The FAA needs to start picking up the difference between your last W2 and your LTD payout unless you’re a clear and present danger or let guys get the care they need mental of physical without the thought of losing their livelihood every six months or less.
It’s no wonder people are less than forthcoming with information or forego many versions healthcare so it’s not on the record. The FAA hunting through medical and pharmacy records hoping to find offenders isn’t helping. Now that everything is electronic I bet the level of healthcare avoidance has gone way up from when everything was held in a wall of paper files.
“Oh, we’re here to help you get back to flying if you have an issue” is such BS. What they really mean is they take away your living and make you jump through a bunch of nonsensical hoops and paper pushing and observation periods while your case sits at the bottom of a massive stack of other cases. Meanwhile days, weeks, months, years tick by while you don’t get a paycheck and they are supposed to be the champions helping you get back in the cockpit. My ass. Anything but. Even the best LTD isn’t anywhere close to full income replacement. The FAA needs to start picking up the difference between your last W2 and your LTD payout unless you’re a clear and present danger or let guys get the care they need mental of physical without the thought of losing their livelihood every six months or less.
10-24-2023, 08:09 AM
#245
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You obviously have never worked in or for the dot gov - especially the FAA - have you? Never underestimate what they will/will not do. This incident is still in the news and the crawlers. It's being discussed on the travel blogs the key words - safety and security of paying passengers - is the theme. That is how the FAA and DHS will approach this from a safety security standpoint. Best case is they restrict the JS to own metal only - no OAL
They don't care how you get to work at the dot gov level. That is a management issue. Stop being so naive.
They don't care how you get to work at the dot gov level. That is a management issue. Stop being so naive.
They WILL CARE when there are 70,000+ ****ed off pilots flying very safely and by the book to make a statement if they are stupid enough to try and do such…
Combine with MASSIVE anger from the general public with astounding rates of delays and cancellations.
Do you not Remember the SWA meltdown last year? Well…..multiply that by 5 or 10 and you’ll get an idea.
Pilots are NOT gonna idly let that happen. As someone else said, they might not even drop the brake until they rescind such a stupid knee jerk reaction
10-24-2023, 08:30 AM
#246
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They WILL CARE when there are 70,000+ ****ed off pilots flying very safely and by the book to make a statement if they are stupid enough to try and do such…
Combine with MASSIVE anger from the general public with astounding rates of delays and cancellations.
Do you not Remember the SWA meltdown last year? Well…..multiply that by 5 or 10 and you’ll get an idea.
Pilots are NOT gonna idly let that happen. As someone else said, they might not even drop the brake until they rescind such a stupid knee jerk reaction
Combine with MASSIVE anger from the general public with astounding rates of delays and cancellations.
Do you not Remember the SWA meltdown last year? Well…..multiply that by 5 or 10 and you’ll get an idea.
Pilots are NOT gonna idly let that happen. As someone else said, they might not even drop the brake until they rescind such a stupid knee jerk reaction
Pilots will continue to bi*** about their lives and struggle with commuting like always. But to stand up to any restriction by “setting the park brake?”
Give me a break…
10-24-2023, 09:00 AM
#247
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Pilots won’t do a damn thing. They will suck it up and go along with any other company mandated policy or government restriction, just like what was done during COVID.
Pilots will continue to bi*** about their lives and struggle with commuting like always. But to stand up to any restriction by “setting the park brake?”
Give me a break…
Pilots will continue to bi*** about their lives and struggle with commuting like always. But to stand up to any restriction by “setting the park brake?”
Give me a break…
But there could be chaos and disruptions, at the worst possible time, when the all the cabin seats are full. Lots of pilot groups have commuter clauses, and none that I'm aware of require that a jumpseat be available. So guys can just show up for two oversold flights, 30-second phone call to exercise commuter clause, then drive back home for Xmas with the fam.
So no jumpseats for the holiday season *could* result in a SWA-style national meltdown across multiple airlines. But it won't, airlines would just preemptively grant pos space commutes... much better to bump a few oversold basic economy budget pax than to jeopardize system-wide operational integrity.
Airlines will also vigorously lobby elected officials, who will then simply slap the bureaucrats back in their place. Especially since the system worked, nobody got hurt or came close. History has shown that jumpseaters with malign intentions don't fare well against two working crew members.
But even the bureaucrats aren't that dense, I doubt they'd even try it since they know what will happen. If they do try, it will be NPRM process so if they don't like which the winds are blowing they can back down gracefully (as opposed to biatch-slapped by congress).
And there's no emergency, the known lone-wolf threat is in jail, it's not like there's any reason to rush any policy changes.
10-24-2023, 09:01 AM
#248
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They WILL CARE when there are 70,000+ ****ed off pilots flying very safely and by the book to make a statement if they are stupid enough to try and do such…
Combine with MASSIVE anger from the general public with astounding rates of delays and cancellations.
Do you not Remember the SWA meltdown last year? Well…..multiply that by 5 or 10 and you’ll get an idea.
Pilots are NOT gonna idly let that happen. As someone else said, they might not even drop the brake until they rescind such a stupid knee jerk reaction
Combine with MASSIVE anger from the general public with astounding rates of delays and cancellations.
Do you not Remember the SWA meltdown last year? Well…..multiply that by 5 or 10 and you’ll get an idea.
Pilots are NOT gonna idly let that happen. As someone else said, they might not even drop the brake until they rescind such a stupid knee jerk reaction
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10-24-2023, 10:21 AM
#250
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Comair 5191 crashed when the two Comair pilots took off from the wrong runway in KLEX due to construction, complacency, and bad charts.
Why does that matter? Because there was an AirTran jumpseater who was on that flight and given a seat in the back. He was very familiar with KLEX. If he was sitting on the jumpseat that morning then none of us would have heard of Comair 5191.
Why does that matter? Because there was an AirTran jumpseater who was on that flight and given a seat in the back. He was very familiar with KLEX. If he was sitting on the jumpseat that morning then none of us would have heard of Comair 5191.
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