QX2059 Jumpseater tries to shutdown engines
10-23-2023, 05:27 PM
#182
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There are a lot of pilots at my airline who are very reluctant to JS…probably the types who Mother tucked them into bed each night…it’s not rocket science or overly stressful to JS.
10-23-2023, 05:39 PM
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10-23-2023, 05:40 PM
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The only fact I'm aware of is that he pulled both fire handles and the crew was able to save both engines. The airline has stated this (referring to the "handles", plural), and I re-posted it an hour or two ago in this thread. Additionally, you could say it's "fact" that the crew thought he had intent, stating to ATC "We’ve got the guy that tried to shut the engines down out of the cockpit".
10-23-2023, 05:40 PM
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IMHO, cockpit JS should only be allowed for traveling to/from an assignment, and only on the pilot’s own metal. No cockpit JS for leisure travel, only cabin.
On other airlines, leisure or to work but cabin only.
This event was bound to happen, not a matter of it, but when.
On other airlines, leisure or to work but cabin only.
This event was bound to happen, not a matter of it, but when.
Thankfully, most people reject it.
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10-23-2023, 05:49 PM
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And that short sighted mentality will do absolutely nothing to resolve future events like this. It has absolutely nothing to do with compassion. Regardless of him being locked up or not, he will never have a chance to get back to 121 flying. But locking him up will send a very clear message to anybody struggling with mental health issues: don't try to get help. Obviously it's wrong to try to kill 60+ people. But he was willing to die to make that happen, so I doubt that similarly inclined individuals would be deterred by the threat of punishment. It's not about if he deserves help, it's about the fact that not giving him help will lead to more, not less events like this.
Read about the German wings case. Did that pilot belong in the cockpit? No, but him knowing he would lose his job if he sought help is what pulled the trigger.
Read about the German wings case. Did that pilot belong in the cockpit? No, but him knowing he would lose his job if he sought help is what pulled the trigger.
10-23-2023, 05:53 PM
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I’m going to be the first person to say this, but maybe he is a Muslim extremist? We’d have to wait for the report to see if he was shouting alluh akbar or whatever it is they say.
While a mental breakdown is possible, I would not be so quick to rule out terrorism by an extremist who just happens to be white.
While a mental breakdown is possible, I would not be so quick to rule out terrorism by an extremist who just happens to be white.
First you think Jumpseats should be restricted, now you are blaming terrorists?
You are way out there….
10-23-2023, 06:00 PM
#188
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Unfortunately in this country we still perpetuate the brown Muslim boogeyman while the real threats (insurrectionists, mass shooters, anti-election, anti-government, anti-vaccine, etc.) have been, well, not people that look brown...
10-23-2023, 06:08 PM
#189
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That would make a lot more sense than some of the alternative explanations. I don’t know the first thing about the jungle jet so thanks for saying that. From what I’ve read, the jump seater was typed on the CRJ and Dash, so probably had no experience with embraer procedures.
10-23-2023, 06:22 PM
#190
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IMHO, cockpit JS should only be allowed for traveling to/from an assignment, and only on the pilot’s own metal. No cockpit JS for leisure travel, only cabin.
On other airlines, leisure or to work but cabin only.
This event was bound to happen, not a matter of it, but when.
On other airlines, leisure or to work but cabin only.
This event was bound to happen, not a matter of it, but when.
This single event is not - IMHO - sufficient justification to change one damn thing.
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