PorkyMcFuzz

my understanding is he pulled both levers but FO quickly reset them before fuel was cut off. Assuming that’s the case, damn fine job by the FO reacting that quickly. If he managed to rotate the handles to fire the bottles it would be a much different story right now. Hopefully more information is forthcoming soon.

flightbag

Where can I read the results of the investigation? Something about this whole episode doesn't smell right.

paulcg77

Interesting. As I said before, BZ to that crew, holy crap. I hope they are doing alright.

Fly4FunAA

On the bright side, Single pilot just got pushed back decades with this one.

Disappointment

Correct. But what we hope comes from this is mental health to be taken seriously by the feds, for the countless pilots that are still flying daily with issues that just havent been quite triggered enough to do something like this guy.

PipeMan

Oh I’m fine. Still the same way but I see no need to change. Hope you’re doing alright.

PorkyMcFuzz

I’m trying to figure out how they got him out of the cockpit. It’s small and cramped and the jumpseat blocks the doorway completely. Unless he was being compliant or they had a bunch of people dragging him over the top of the seat I have no idea how they managed that part.

DeltaboundRedux

Agreed.

Speculation is understandable. Going to wait until the investigation (and plea deal) reveals more.

Everything else is just gaslighting.

PipeMan

An acquaintance from there told me one of the pilots were a former green beret. Not sure if CA or FO. Might have helped.

Excargodog

Except that would assume that the relapse rate in those diagnosed and treated was lower than the primary rate in those who had not already sustained an event. In fact, even the efficacy of antidepressants is sufficiently in question that long term use is pretty “iffy” because of statistical issues with their efficacy studies:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2045125320921694

so the *should* have helped certainly deserves the asterisks you bracketed it with.

And inherent in your statement that he woukd have been under significant scrutiny is the assumption that such scrutiny would have done any good. That too is a dicey assumption. The criteria for diagnosis of depression is almost exclusively self-reported:

https://www.mdcalc.com/calc/10195/ds...ssive-disorder

What isn’t self reported is pretty nonspecific, ie., weight gain OR loss, fatigue, etc. There simply is no litmus test to detect depression in someone sufficiently motivated (and a salary of $300k+ a year can certainly be a motivator) to conceal it. And while the exact testing is now firewall concealed by the FAA aeromedical guys,

https://ibb.co/vqhSNR6]

The vast majority of the objective tests are simply cognitive function tests adjusted to pilot norms, the rest largely being self reporting of symptoms which a quick google search would make it easy for someone to negatively malinger - that is, report themselves healthier than they are.
And a third of a million dollars a year (including 401k DC) is a h€|| of an incentive to do that search and give the *correct* self reported symptoms or lack of same.

And while, yeah, cognitive dysfunction MIGHT give the person away and that may in and of itself be adequate reason to ground someone the absence of cognitive dysfunction provides no guarantees that the person isn’t depressed and/or isn’t malingering.