QX2059 Jumpseater tries to shutdown engines
10-23-2023, 11:55 AM
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10-23-2023, 12:05 PM
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The FAA has taken only baby steps to address pilot mental health.
The SI process for flying post SSRI is draconian and requires you to give up your livelihood until you are no longer diagnosed with the condition. Your surgeon can be diagnosed with anxiety and depression and have his hand inside your chest while taking Xanax. But you, as a pilot are not afforded the same level of common-sense professional courtesy by the regulator.
As a result, there is still an immense stigma associated with pilot mental health. Conditions are concealed and people suffer needlessly.
And if this incident moves the needle, it won't be the needle of courage or leadership. It will be the needle of reactionary, cover-your-behind bureaucracy.
Nobody is taking away our jumpseats. If they tried, I would imagine there would be a massive, grassroots, illegal as all get-out refusal on the part of pilots everywhere to release the parking brake. That jumpseat belongs to us. Not the regulator. Not the flight surgeon. Not the airline. It belongs to the Captain. Gutless politician motherF-ers and federal air surgeon better would be wie to remember that.
I'm willing to take my chances with my peers.
The SI process for flying post SSRI is draconian and requires you to give up your livelihood until you are no longer diagnosed with the condition. Your surgeon can be diagnosed with anxiety and depression and have his hand inside your chest while taking Xanax. But you, as a pilot are not afforded the same level of common-sense professional courtesy by the regulator.
As a result, there is still an immense stigma associated with pilot mental health. Conditions are concealed and people suffer needlessly.
And if this incident moves the needle, it won't be the needle of courage or leadership. It will be the needle of reactionary, cover-your-behind bureaucracy.
Nobody is taking away our jumpseats. If they tried, I would imagine there would be a massive, grassroots, illegal as all get-out refusal on the part of pilots everywhere to release the parking brake. That jumpseat belongs to us. Not the regulator. Not the flight surgeon. Not the airline. It belongs to the Captain. Gutless politician motherF-ers and federal air surgeon better would be wie to remember that.
I'm willing to take my chances with my peers.
10-23-2023, 12:10 PM
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You know what? After some long, hard thought, I think you're right.
10-23-2023, 12:28 PM
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10-23-2023, 12:36 PM
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From another site:
The FAA reported a significant security event when a jump seat passenger attempted to disable the aircraft engines at cruise altitude by deploying the engine fire suppression system, the crew was able to subdue the passenger and remove him from the flight deck.
The airline subsequently added: "The Horizon Captain and First Officer quickly responded, engine power was not lost, and the crew secured the aircraft without incident." and further stated: "Fortunately some residual fuel remained in the line, and the quick reaction of our crew to reset the handles restored fuel flow and prevented fuel starvation."
The FAA reported a significant security event when a jump seat passenger attempted to disable the aircraft engines at cruise altitude by deploying the engine fire suppression system, the crew was able to subdue the passenger and remove him from the flight deck.
The airline subsequently added: "The Horizon Captain and First Officer quickly responded, engine power was not lost, and the crew secured the aircraft without incident." and further stated: "Fortunately some residual fuel remained in the line, and the quick reaction of our crew to reset the handles restored fuel flow and prevented fuel starvation."
10-23-2023, 12:46 PM
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the jump seater was a line qualified airline pilot. Nothing to stop them from doing this at work vs on the jumpseat. What reasonable world would we say it’s ok to fly an airliner but not ok to ride in the jumpseat. That’s just stupid.
10-23-2023, 12:59 PM
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IMHO, cockpit JS should only be allowed for traveling to/from an assignment, and only on the pilot’s own metal. No cockpit JS for leisure travel, only cabin.
On other airlines, leisure or to work but cabin only.
This event was bound to happen, not a matter of it, but when.
On other airlines, leisure or to work but cabin only.
This event was bound to happen, not a matter of it, but when.
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