Nepal Crash Passenger Captures Final Moments

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02-15-2023, 07:31 AM

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rickair7777

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Sounds like an induced failure.

Could be, it's happened before, recently. Same type too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransA...ays_Flight_235

02-16-2023, 08:57 AM

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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...rt-2023-02-15/

"FDR showed the propellers of both engines went into feather in the base leg of descending."

Could be operator induced, but the way they said it might imply un-commanded feather. Fuel starvation would do that, assuming auto-feather, but there was a lot of fire and smoke for no fuel.

02-17-2023, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

The PF (left seat) called for flaps 30, the training Captain in the right seat responded with "Flaps 30 and descending". FDR shows no flap movement, instead both props were feathered. Flap and Prop handles are right next to each other. The PM was an instructor and probably more used to flying in the left seat due to checking out numerous F/O's.

https://youtu.be/rXTy24rdwYc

02-17-2023, 09:32 PM

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Juan solves the world, once again. Thank god.

02-18-2023, 07:05 AM

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Juan solves the world, once again. Thank god.

Nah. FNC did. 😂 Nepal airplane crash possibly caused by pilot choosing wrong lever

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...ng-wrong-lever

02-18-2023, 03:24 PM

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Never been in an ATR cockpit but I assume it doesn't have one lever which feathers both props, and is conveniently located next to the flap handle???

02-18-2023, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

Never been in an ATR cockpit but I assume it doesn't have one lever which feathers both props, and is conveniently located next to the flap handle???

I'll try to link a photo of the flap & condition levers.

02-18-2023, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

Never been in an ATR cockpit but I assume it doesn't have one lever which feathers both props, and is conveniently located next to the flap handle???

No, never one lever to feather both props...You nuts?
(Although this crew managed to do the same job with two different levers)

02-23-2023, 09:14 AM

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I flew the ATR back in the 90's for a few years. It would be very difficult to pull both props into feather at nearly the same time - and the method to do so differs significantly from the way one would select a flap setting. I could see possibly ONE prop pulled into feather, then a huge WOOPS moment, and it quickly pushed forward out of feather again. But BOTH? Supposedly nearly concurrently? Something is not sitting right with me on this. I feel there's much more to the story than currently meets the eye.