737-400 cargo jet emergency landing in ocean
#51
Could have been dual failure due to an issue which affected both motors... that would be significant but also pretty darn rare. Birds (Sully) or something like that BA triple at LHR.
Could also be that the "good" motor was tired and they inadvertently cooked it when they added thrust to compensate for the first failure. The timeline hints at that possibility.
I just don't think they could have run out of gas that quickly. Although an RJ a few years back managed to TO with just enough gas to get to the flight levels. They caught barely in time, diverted, landed and may have flamed out on the taxi in.
Could also be that the "good" motor was tired and they inadvertently cooked it when they added thrust to compensate for the first failure. The timeline hints at that possibility.
I just don't think they could have run out of gas that quickly. Although an RJ a few years back managed to TO with just enough gas to get to the flight levels. They caught barely in time, diverted, landed and may have flamed out on the taxi in.
#52
Absolutely a possibility…..could have been fueled with 100LL to.
If they were able to get them lit but failed or ran so hot.
That Falcon Tri-Motor out of OPF lost two by the time they turned final and the third was limping.
Scary stuff!!
If they were able to get them lit but failed or ran so hot.
That Falcon Tri-Motor out of OPF lost two by the time they turned final and the third was limping.
Scary stuff!!
#53
There's been a rash of that lately, but at HNL? Big 121 airports normally have a centralized fuel co-op... all the Jet A comes from the same tanks and trucks. Any diesel (for ground vehicles) will kept very, very segregated.
I think DEF is more of a GA issue.
Also probably not happening at HNL. Also hard to mistake a 737 for a bonanza.
I think DEF is more of a GA issue.
Also probably not happening at HNL. Also hard to mistake a 737 for a bonanza.
#54
There's been a rash of that lately, but at HNL? Big 121 airports normally have a centralized fuel co-op... all the Jet A comes from the same tanks and trucks. Any diesel (for ground vehicles) will kept very, very segregated.
I think DEF is more of a GA issue.
Also probably not happening at HNL. Also hard to mistake a 737 for a bonanza.
I think DEF is more of a GA issue.
Also probably not happening at HNL. Also hard to mistake a 737 for a bonanza.
They may not park at one and there for fuel via trucks.
Ever heard of filling a fuel truck with the wrong fuel?
Its happened before.
#55
Unless you hired an off airport service, which would need an access agreement, and pay taxes and fees.
#56
#57
The trucks at big airports are also part of the central system, same fuel, same SOP. Airlines ensure their fuel system has better standards then the one at the GA FBO.
Unless you hired an off airport service, which would need an access agreement, and pay taxes and fees.
Unless you hired an off airport service, which would need an access agreement, and pay taxes and fees.
#58
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For something like this, commercial divers would use mixed gas. You could get about 10 minutes no-D with mixed gas... using professional tables. So still probably going to be a surface-supplied op.
I don't think you'd catch me going to 150' on air and coming back up without a stop... even though the mil tables probably say you can, barely.
I don't think you'd catch me going to 150' on air and coming back up without a stop... even though the mil tables probably say you can, barely.
I have done several 160’ dives on air; no deco. We have a popular dive spot at 150. Absolutely if Doug salvage recovery they will use more technical dive techniques. Fortunately Pearl Harbor is not lacking for any type of ROV’s, DSRV, or hardhat divers.
Running that area yesterday in the charter boat the delta will be from 250 fathoms to 40 fathoms - the shelf is right on the reported area.
#59
Having burned Jet in about 70 countries, from rickety Russian trucks with fueler smoking to hydrants in Asia and in the Congo; I’d like see evidence fuel is segregated for airline use vs. GA use. The cargo ramp at HNL is next to the FBOscand I’ve seen the same trucks used on both ramps, depending on the contract. Signature and Castle & Cook are right next door to each other and the cargo ramp.
That's how big airports generally work, no law says HNL has to do it they way but why would they not?
If they didn't launch from a major 121 field, sure it might be plausible... but there's a reason that kind of thing doesn't happen to pax airlines.
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