Boeing 737 skids off runway in Jacksonville
05-05-2019, 10:19 PM
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Assuming your job title is "investor FOR Boeing" that means you have a background in economics and finance (but probably never took a grammar class). I am sure you have come across someone from the general population that knows a little bit about investing but thinks they know a lot. While they think they are making sound arguments it is clear to you that their knowledge of investing is very limited. The only way they can understand complex topics is if they simplify them to the point that it is meaningless.
That is how you come across on these forums. It is classic Dunning-Kruger effect. You have just info information to trick yourself into thinking you know what you are talking about. You don't. I suggest you just focus your energy on advising Boeing on how they should invest their money.
That is how you come across on these forums. It is classic Dunning-Kruger effect. You have just info information to trick yourself into thinking you know what you are talking about. You don't. I suggest you just focus your energy on advising Boeing on how they should invest their money.
Sad. Another individual who has no clue about what he’s talking about. I never said it was my job, I was constantly asked why I was here so I stated I was a investor for Boeing. I wanted to get info about certain things. But what best place to get that? Maybe a place with pilots? I’m not trusting media as they’re talking like pilots all of the sudden. I’m not even sure how you decided to come up with that comment, it’s like you purposely cherry pick. I wouldn’t be surprised.
05-06-2019, 02:50 AM
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Latest from the NTSB after initial analysis of the DFDR:
On May 5th 2019 the NTSB reported in their press conference, weather has complicated their efforts. The FDR was read out, preliminary information indicated the IAS at touchdown was 163 knots, 178 knots over ground (about 15 knots tail wind) at 30 degrees of flaps, ground spoilers deployed 3 seconds after touch down. The left hand thrust reverser was inoperative and the aircraft was dispatched under MEL. The CVR is still in the tail of the aircraft and under water. About 1200 gallons of fuel were remaining (some fuel spilled into the river). Divers are currently trying to remove the pets from the forward cargo bay. The crew initially planned to land to the west (runway 28), however, as the aircraft got closer to the airport they requested runway 10. Due to a deployed wire barrier the runway threshold was displaced by about 1200 feet leaving 7800 feet of landing distance available. (end of conference)
05-06-2019, 03:29 AM
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they requested runway 10. Due to a deployed wire barrier the runway threshold was displaced by about 1200 feet leaving 7800 feet of landing distance available.
05-06-2019, 05:02 AM
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Sad. Another individual who has no clue about what he’s talking about. I never said it was my job, I was constantly asked why I was here so I stated I was a investor for Boeing. I wanted to get info about certain things. But what best place to get that? Maybe a place with pilots? I’m not trusting media as they’re talking like pilots all of the sudden. I’m not even sure how you decided to come up with that comment, it’s like you purposely cherry pick. I wouldn’t be surprised.
Nonetheless it's very good of you to look for better information than what the media so often provides.
05-06-2019, 06:17 AM
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From another forum:
Prelim NTSB report includes "...left hand thrust reverser 'inoperative'..." and (at touchdown) "...air speed was 163 knots, ground speed 178 knots, flap setting 30 degrees, and ground spoilers deployed three seconds after touchdown."
So, now we KNOW they were fast (at 178 kts gs) and had no thrust reversers (assuming they wouldn't attempt to deploy them asymmetrically).
But wait, don't order yet, there's more...
They were initially cleared for 28, but as they were approaching, the pilots requested a switch to 10 - and were then advised there was arresting equipment at the approach end of 10, negating the first 1,200', making 10, effectively, a 7,800' runway.
So, very fast, no TR, on a wet, shortened runway in a thunderstorm. What could possibly go wrong?
Prelim NTSB report includes "...left hand thrust reverser 'inoperative'..." and (at touchdown) "...air speed was 163 knots, ground speed 178 knots, flap setting 30 degrees, and ground spoilers deployed three seconds after touchdown."
So, now we KNOW they were fast (at 178 kts gs) and had no thrust reversers (assuming they wouldn't attempt to deploy them asymmetrically).
But wait, don't order yet, there's more...
They were initially cleared for 28, but as they were approaching, the pilots requested a switch to 10 - and were then advised there was arresting equipment at the approach end of 10, negating the first 1,200', making 10, effectively, a 7,800' runway.
So, very fast, no TR, on a wet, shortened runway in a thunderstorm. What could possibly go wrong?
05-06-2019, 06:55 AM
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https://www.asc.gov.tw/upload/cont_a...0184cf60fc.pdf
Unless they had an OPS SPEC limit or landing data limitation, not unusual to use full length.
05-06-2019, 07:00 AM
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I've operated airliners on arresting gear runways. If the gear is deployed, we would not do a landing or TO roll over the gear. I could taxi over it slowly to get into position, or to exit the runway but we always planned basically coming to essentially a stop or slow walk prior to crossing the gear. Not sure how the airliner-based mil platforms deal with it.
05-06-2019, 10:12 AM
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Hella
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