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Old 04-17-2019, 01:33 PM
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Way worse that anyone suspected.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-airlines-flight-300-jfk-close-call-appears-worse-than-first-reported/
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Old 04-17-2019, 02:50 PM
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How gusty were the winds that night? I didn't think they were that bad?
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Old 04-17-2019, 02:54 PM
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A person claiming to be a passenger supplied testimony on aviationherald:

Computer Malfunction
By ELizabeth Lucsko on Wednesday, Apr 17th 2019 22:11Z

I was aboard this aircraft. The take off was fast, rather quick and felt short. Then we pitched down and banked right (left wing up) and then left (right wing up) and the back felt to skid out sideways, I was in the window seat just behind the left wing. Then it felt like the pilot pulled the aircraft up manually. He continued to make very strong left and right banks while in the air before we circled back to JFK. He made an announcement that we had a major computer failure, but that he had control of the airplane and that we'll be making an emergency landing. I watched the metal flap above the wind the whole 43 mins we were in the air. The flight attendants went to the exit rows and said "this is not a drill" can you open the emergency doors to the passengers. I want to hear the audio and see the faa report. If anyone knows how long or where to look for this information that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Old 04-17-2019, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
How gusty were the winds that night? I didn't think they were that bad?
NNW at 15 to 17 kts, per AvHerald.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4c68c5a8&opt=0

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Old 04-17-2019, 05:46 PM
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Based on her witness statement, what’s more likely? An uncommanded roll rate? Or a severe case of PIO?
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:58 PM
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Could be a malfunctioning side-stick (this used to be an Airbus sim event, long ago), or a malfunction in one of the primary (or secondary) flight-control computers. Been 16 years, but I think three primaries, and four secondary.

A Luftwaffe Global 5000 just barely made it back on the ground in the last week after heavy maintenance. In the pictures I saw, the rudder appears full-left in each shot. They had banks of 40+ degrees when 30-50 ft off the ground....dragged both wingtips on landing.

So...not just something that happens to FBW.

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Old 04-17-2019, 06:06 PM
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AA Flight Was Close to Crashing


https://www.foxnews.com/travel/ameri...rashing-claims

The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating an April 10 incident that forced an American Airlines flight to turn around after striking a foreign object during departure last week.

Last Wednesday, American Airlines Flight 300 departed at New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport at 8:40 p.m. The Los Angeles-bound flight reportedly struck an object during takeoff and was forced to turn around and return to JFK, where it landed at 9:09 p.m.

The flight reportedly “experienced a roll during takeoff and hit a runway distance marker with the left wingtip,” the NTSB wrote in a tweet.

Based on initial reports, the aircraft hit the object and then turned around and landed safely.

"On April 10, American Airlines flight 300 from New York (JFK) to Los Angeles (LAX) returned to JFK after the aircraft struck an object upon departure. The flight which took off at 8:40 p.m. ET, landed safely at JFK at 9:09 p.m. ET, and taxied to the gate. There were 102 passengers and 8 crew members on the Airbus A321 aircraft, and no injuries were reported. We are fully cooperating with the National Transportation Safety Board in its investigation of flight 300,” a spokesperson for American Airlines said in a statement to Fox News.

However, a newly released report claims the flight may have “nearly crashed,” according to a source who spoke to CBS.

"That was as close as anybody would ever want to come to crashing,” the source reportedly said.

Those familiar with the investigation described the scene to CBS, noting the pilot experienced a “loss of control” on takeoff.

Immediately after the incident, a passenger shared a since-deleted photo on Twitter, saying there was a “big chunk out of the wing.”

The investigation is ongoing.
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Old 04-17-2019, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Based on her witness statement, what’s more likely? An uncommanded roll rate? Or a severe case of PIO?


I stopped reading after they “pulled up manually” to takeoff.
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer

A Luftwaffe Global 5000 just barely made it back on the ground in the last week after heavy maintenance. In then pictures I saw, the rudder appears full-left in each shot. They had banks of 40+ degrees when 30-50 ft off the ground....dragged both wingtips on landing.
The pictures of that were just wild, amazing how it didn't stall at such high bank angles and amazing they got back on the ground (based on the pictures in the air).
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Old 04-17-2019, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by navigatro
I heard (rumor) that the plane is a total write-off.

Surprising, but that's what I heard.
Hold on a tic. Are you saying that value wasn't enhanced by striking the wingtip?

The value may have actually gone down? Are you sure you're not making this up?
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