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Old 07-27-2016, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Flightcap
It's wise to consider what your minimum salary would be. This would be the $7500 signing bonus (if they are still offering that, check with your recruiter) + $40/hr * 75 hrs/month * 12 months. That would be minimum guarantee. It comes out to $43,500. My per diem is going to be roughly $7000 for my first year. So a total gross salary of $50,000 your first year is not unreasonable.

Republic is not a wholly-owned company and does not have any flow through agreements.

The current upgrade time is 3.9 years and seems to be dropping slowly.
Awesome! And thanks alot. 50k isnt bad for first year it seems, alot better than those airlines offering a min 1st year of 24k. The no flow makes me a little weary but I guess Ill figure it out as time gets closer. End goal is United for basing and equipment reasons.
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Awesome! And thanks alot. 50k isnt bad for first year it seems, alot better than those airlines offering a min 1st year of 24k. The no flow makes me a little weary but I guess Ill figure it out as time gets closer. End goal is United for basing and equipment reasons.

Flows aren't as great as they sound.
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Flows aren't as great as they sound.
Explain please? Still a noob lol Advantages or disadvantages?
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Old 07-27-2016, 04:18 PM
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Explain please? Still a noob lol Advantages or disadvantages?
Flows are not proven to work. At this stage of the game they are a regional hiring tactic. There are a few issues, such as the supply of people to take the place of people flowing. In endeavors case, I have heard there has been a high failure rate concerning the interview. Also, I have seen people get hired in less time than others who are now in these supposed flows are going to have to do. Consider too, if the flow is within a wholly owned, why would that major want to rob its regionals of pilots? It's going to hire the pilots of its competitors instead.

Some will argue these points but we can all agree, these flows are not proven. I would suggest to anyone, just build your resume like anyone else and if you want the theoretical safety net of a flow, then go ahead and go somewhere that has it. But it really shouldn't be your one road to a major. You may end up disappointed.
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Old 07-27-2016, 04:24 PM
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Flows are not proven to work. At this stage of the game they are a regional hiring tactic. There are a few issues, such as the supply of people to take the place of people flowing. In endeavors case, I have heard there has been a high failure rate concerning the interview. Also, I have seen people get hired in less time than others who are now in these supposed flows are going to have to do. Consider too, if the flow is within a wholly owned, why would that major want to rob its regionals of pilots? It's going to hire the pilots of its competitors instead.

Some will argue these points but we can all agree, these flows are not proven. I would suggest to anyone, just build your resume like anyone else and if you want the theoretical safety net of a flow, then go ahead and go somewhere that has it. But it really shouldn't be your one road to a major. You may end up disappointed.
Let me guess. You work for a regional that doesn't have a flow and are trying to justify it to yourself.

One thing that a flow does is provides constant movement. There are always a certain number of senior pilots that are leaving each month. That allows more junior people to upgrade and take their spots. It also opens up training and check airmen positions. This benefits everyone on the list, even the newest hire.
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Old 07-27-2016, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by knewyork
Flows are not proven to work. At this stage of the game they are a regional hiring tactic. There are a few issues, such as the supply of people to take the place of people flowing. In endeavors case, I have heard there has been a high failure rate concerning the interview. Also, I have seen people get hired in less time than others who are now in these supposed flows are going to have to do. Consider too, if the flow is within a wholly owned, why would that major want to rob its regionals of pilots? It's going to hire the pilots of its competitors instead.

Some will argue these points but we can all agree, these flows are not proven. I would suggest to anyone, just build your resume like anyone else and if you want the theoretical safety net of a flow, then go ahead and go somewhere that has it. But it really shouldn't be your one road to a major. You may end up disappointed.
Seems quite accurate, and I thank you for your wisdom. I want every possible avenue to the majors, but I also realize it will take a long time. I'm prepared for the crappy pay of regionals, but I'll have zero debt from college or flight training (GI Bill) so thats a plus lol.
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Let me guess. You work for a regional that doesn't have a flow and are trying to justify it to yourself.

One thing that a flow does is provides constant movement. There are always a certain number of senior pilots that are leaving each month. That allows more junior people to upgrade and take their spots. It also opens up training and check airmen positions. This benefits everyone on the list, even the newest hire.
Until said flow is constricted (stopped) for operational need as provided for in AAG's regional contracts. Then, tied up in arbitration for years on end, with effectively zero flows.

Not like it's happened several times before.........Oh....wait......
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.......
But, this time is different........
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
Let me guess. You work for a regional that doesn't have a flow and are trying to justify it to yourself.

One thing that a flow does is provides constant movement. There are always a certain number of senior pilots that are leaving each month. That allows more junior people to upgrade and take their spots. It also opens up training and check airmen positions. This benefits everyone on the list, even the newest hire.
Let me guess, you work for one that does have a flow. I specifically want to get to JetBlue so I'm not into the whole flow thing.

Give me an example of a flow that is working. Then compare those numbers to the amount of people moving on from non flow regionals. There is no significant benefit to flowing.
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Originally Posted by knewyork
Let me guess, you work for one that does have a flow. I specifically want to get to JetBlue so I'm not into the whole flow thing.

Give me an example of a flow that is working. Then compare those numbers to the amount of people moving on from non flow regionals. There is no significant benefit to flowing.
Flows work fine when the Majors are hiring. Envoy has sent close to 600 to AA in the last 2 1/2 years. Dont discount the value of a Flow...nice to have options and having a Flow is adding an option.
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Originally Posted by knewyork
Let me guess, you work for one that does have a flow. I specifically want to get to JetBlue so I'm not into the whole flow thing.

Give me an example of a flow that is working. Then compare those numbers to the amount of people moving on from non flow regionals. There is no significant benefit to flowing.
So what will happen if JetBlue doesn't hire you? Or doesn't even ask you for a interview?

True story...I did not got hired at Jetblue (one of my top choices). Why? They don't tell you... I can keep trying to get hired elsewhere with my AA job in the back pocket. I've moved over 500-600 numbers up with flow alone, add that attrition and there is movement.

Also this year AA hast hired many people, but continued to flow pilots from their 3 WO. Slower rate but there were not required to flow people because there were not hiring in the summer.
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