sqwkvfr

This does not take into account the over 200 Captains and Senior FOs that have to move over from the Q and the 145 before the 2011 hires start upgrading.

If the 145 and Q drawdown goes as quickly as the Company would like, I predict that it will be nearly two years before a 2011 hire sees the left seat.

..and even if, by some snafu, a 2011 hire is upgraded sometime soon, that doesn't change the the fact that upgrade time will settle at sometime around six years....any prospective new-hire willing to waste that much time at RJET just may want to re-evaluate his or her plan.

Then you clearly haven't been paying attention. People are here trying to warn you because it is one of the very few mechanisms by which we can pass the word to prospective new hires regarding the situation in which they will soon find themselves.

I strongly recommend that you heed their warnings.

FEtoFO

At the current upgrade rate, they probably will not get through the 2008 hires this year. Also about 100 2007 hires have not upgraded yet. 6 years is about right for a newhire, unless we lose flying.

sidelinesam

Or even better, stop helping them out until they give us a contract! I wouldn't pick up open time for 500%.

FEtoFO

I fly with many pilots who pick up OT. Many FOs have to pick it up to survive. I personally never pick any OT up or help the company out in any way, but I will not preach to the FOs about picking up OT. Besides the union has lost control of the pilot group, and most belive we will not see a new CBA in the next few years.

Hetman

Man: Will you sleep with me for a million dollars?
Woman: A million dollars? OK, I guess.
Man: Will you sleep with me for free?
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seattlepilot

Some more interesting stuff about rah.

The management made a survey of employees, it was conducted by a third party company. The feedback they received was the lowest they have seen in their company history. The morale, the trust to management was so low that they had to reevaluate the results.

What does management do? They put together 300 poeple action committee to see what's wrong with the employee group. More TPS reports, no Bobs , nothing new.

The same bs tactics that they developed with "culture club" bs when they asked for concessions from frontier people. Remember Bb was going to give raises back to frontier pilots and FAs after he asked for lower wages.

Of course they gutted that company and never gave the raises back.

The company promised hiring bonus if you refer pilots. Once you refer them, they denied $1500 bonus to pilots saying "we already had him/her in our system "

The people that are working on your schedules are so uneducated and so stupid that they cross cross crews when things go out of wack. They are not even able to understand the time zone difference between den and Indy. True story.

If you are on reserve, you will get abused more and more every day.

This place is so short of pilots that they offered that aforementioned pay premium on top of the vacation buy back.

I never pick up open time.. I pick up a trip or two from fellow crew members. The way I look at it, I'd rather help crew members instead of BB's rich ass.

The people I work with, flight crews are awesome and that is the only thing that makes this place half way decent.

If 7-8 year FOs are leaving this place to start at the bottom of compass or cqfo as TSA , what does that tell you ?

CptGSXR

Maybe I just suck at math but I'm completely lost by all this talk of a longer upgrade (don't get me wrong, DO NOT go to RAH if any other airline will take you. Hell even Great Lakes is looking better)

By the time the Q400s get parked RAH will have 50ish 170s for United. Time frame is end of next year for both. How many Qs are there to park? And even if you added in the 145s (if they ever get parked) would that still be a net loss of aircraft? Remember also there are 9 more 170s for Delta next year as well so 59 aircraft by end of next year vs how many being parked? Again, I am just a pilot so math skills are beyond my pay grade.

Drofdeb

With the complete gutting of trust, by management, they will not be able to staff the airplanes. Means they will have to give up airplanes to have enough pilots in both seats. The upgrade times will get worse. It will 4 years for a few lucky ones now.
You think they wont give up planes, lol? They are already doing it with the 145s. Guess again.

I think anyone hired today can expect upgrade in 10 years ..... I have 5-600 pilots under me in seniority. I would love it if we could staff the flying, and grow, since that would mean a quicker upgrade for me .

But the pilot base has shrunk by 74 in the past 8 months. What does that tell you? Does the math make sense for a "growing" airline to lose 74 pilots over 8 months? You really think you will EVER upgrade at that rate? You will have no cancellation pay, will make less money than most other airlines, be treated like crap and have to hear the hypocritical sermons of our CEO.

Stay away. Go to PSA, Mesa, TSA, even Endeavor (at least you will be making $240,000 over a 4 year period) before you think of RAH. Those other airlines beat the pants off of a pilot career at RAH in many, many ways.

FEtoFO

Unfortunately I think RAH will end up parking 70 seaters around this time next year. It's a viscous cycle, you park 145s early to staff 170s, then the upgrade inches up. Pilots leave, so you park more planes, and more pilots leave as the upgrade increases more. We need newhires for sure, but they should know what to expect at RAH! I have no idea what the upgrade will be for a newhire, but I dont see all the 2008 hires upgrading this year.

seattlepilot

They are not going to be able to park the 145s early unless they pay a hefty penalty to Delta. Delta is not United or American, their CPAs come with huge penalties related to performance, on time departure, cabin cleanness, etc.

I can see the 2008 hired getting to the left seat this year. As a matter of fact both 170 and 145 most junior awards are from the 2008 Jan classes. You are correct in terms of some people holding back.

The drawdown on the Qs is not that as fast as you think. There are some people, mainly MCI and DEN people, that will ride that airplane till the last day.

On the other hand , this company is so stupid that they cornered themselves on the East Coast and NE corridor and avoid the West Coast where there are less delays. Remember, no cancellation pay in the worst weather areas of the country means you will get hurt compared to the SkyWest or Compass guy.