Republic and PRIA
#13
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Joined APC: May 2009
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The truth is PRIA relates to pilot competency items. If you got caught stealing from the company soda machine you would not be eligible for re-rehire either but that has no correlation with flying ability. PRIA was designed to prevent poor/incompetent pilots from leaving one company and then getting hired by another without due diligence by the latter. If you don't subscribe to the magazine I'll send you a PDF if you PM me. I provide the historical reasons for PRIA as well as a look at the new electronic PRIA that has yet to be fully implemented.
Here's a good start: http://www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/p...OIA_and_PA.pdf
#14
#15
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
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Gentlemen, I need to caution you, what you are talking about concerning PRIA you are correct in that "Not eligible for rehire" does not show up on PRIA BUT it most certainly does show up from the FOI (Freedom Of Information Act) Form that us new hires have to fill out. Basically it is a BS way for operators to get around the "Pilots Rights" section of the PRIA act. So will it show up in pria records absolutely not. Will it show up in FOI, you bet, also as part of your background check any and all employers are allowed to contact your previous employers and ask a bank of 8-10 questions from 1 did so and so work for your company. y/n 2 is this individual eligible for rehire y/n 3 was this person required to submit to random drug screening y/n 4. Did this person ever refuse to take this drug screening y/n and so on and so fourth. Ad nauseous . The loosing employer is only allowed by federal law to answer yes no or no comment. Hope this helps.
#16
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 324
The Facts
PRIA contains records relating to training, evaluating safety etc. It is purely records. No opinion or company policy such as "not eligible for rehire" on there.
It sounds like the company in question gives the impression to current pilots that they will put a "mark" on their PRIA if they break contract but this is an empty threat.
It sounds like the company in question gives the impression to current pilots that they will put a "mark" on their PRIA if they break contract but this is an empty threat.
Absuloute nonesense to assume that an employer would have the authority to black list people like that. I took an early out from my former employer, and my status says ineligible for rehire and terminated.
In my opinion, PRIA is ineffective anyway. We survived quite a while without it, and it really doesn't do anything to prevent accidents. It actually has the potential to ruin careers. Think of how many people get pink slips for upgrade, when it is obviously a tactic on the companies part to slow the progression of their employees.
Last edited by outaluckagain; 11-05-2014 at 08:50 PM. Reason: wording
#17
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Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 324
ineligible
Gentlemen, I need to caution you, what you are talking about concerning PRIA you are correct in that "Not eligible for rehire" does not show up on PRIA BUT it most certainly does show up from the FOI (Freedom Of Information Act) Form that us new hires have to fill out. Basically it is a BS way for operators to get around the "Pilots Rights" section of the PRIA act. So will it show up in pria records absolutely not. Will it show up in FOI, you bet, also as part of your background check any and all employers are allowed to contact your previous employers and ask a bank of 8-10 questions from 1 did so and so work for your company. y/n 2 is this individual eligible for rehire y/n 3 was this person required to submit to random drug screening y/n 4. Did this person ever refuse to take this drug screening y/n and so on and so fourth. Ad nauseous . The loosing employer is only allowed by federal law to answer yes no or no comment. Hope this helps.
#18
If an airline has a training contract, it's there for a reason! I am curious as to why people want to go to an airline that has an airline that has a training contract (among other negative aspects...) When you can almost literally have your pick of the litter these days. Not flame baiting at all, seriously curious.
Also, the threat of it being a PRIA event is ludicrous! PRIA, which is a joke in itself, is to report checkride failures. Not "employee doesn't like you" issues.
Also, the threat of it being a PRIA event is ludicrous! PRIA, which is a joke in itself, is to report checkride failures. Not "employee doesn't like you" issues.
#19
Gentlemen, I need to caution you, what you are talking about concerning PRIA you are correct in that "Not eligible for rehire" does not show up on PRIA BUT it most certainly does show up from the FOI (Freedom Of Information Act) Form that us new hires have to fill out. Basically it is a BS way for operators to get around the "Pilots Rights" section of the PRIA act. So will it show up in pria records absolutely not. Will it show up in FOI, you bet, also as part of your background check any and all employers are allowed to contact your previous employers and ask a bank of 8-10 questions from 1 did so and so work for your company. y/n 2 is this individual eligible for rehire y/n 3 was this person required to submit to random drug screening y/n 4. Did this person ever refuse to take this drug screening y/n and so on and so fourth. Ad nauseous . The loosing employer is only allowed by federal law to answer yes no or no comment. Hope this helps.
#20
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
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Posts: 99
Eligible for rehire does not go into FAA records, therefore, it is not part of FOIA. You can't FOIA from a private entity, only the government. When you FOIA pilot records, that includes only things the FAA gets, like certificate applications, disapprovals, knowledge test reports, etc. Company records contain things like training records and company action. Those are PRIA.
Now, if a new employer wants to know more, they are always free to contact your previous employer or send a form along to your previous employer asking additional questions. Some companies will even request that you sign a consent, which will generally encourage a previous employer to be more forthcoming. This is completely an HR function of the individual company though, and has NOTHING to do with PRIA or FOIA.
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