Originally Posted by globalexpress

Yup, know who he is. Also know who Rick Dubinski is. Big shot ALPA guy who got the United Pilots a big contract in early 2000 and negotiated the Republic contract that the pilots overwhelmingly voted down.

Am I not allowed to disagree with assessments by Akin and/or Dubinski because they are/were "pro pilot" or were associated with ALPA?

And how can an economist, consultant, and highly educated individual like Akin, supposedly watching what is going on in the industry, be "confounded" by what the Republic pilots did? Really? Methinks that perhaps he works for an entity seeking consulting work from the RAA and/or its members. I doubt he was at the mike during that conference telling Bedford and his ilk "how it is." Further, he isn't doing the Republic pilots any favors by placing a quote in a pro-management publication like ATW and implying that just because the contract had large raises in it that they should have been voted in.

Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat

What Akin pointed out was that the vote was based on a lot of people being given bad information and a lot of promises that can't be delivered on. And now that the door is closed and the money gone, it won't reopen anywhere near what it was, regardless of what was promised. That's what is confusing to him. That so many didn't read, ask or question. They blindly followed a Pied Piper who hasn't delivered on one promise yet.

Originally Posted by Oskeewowow

Your last paragraph is confusing to me. Who was this pied piper? What bad information was given? What promises were made? The TA came out and the only official voices talking were RD and two members of the negotiations Team who were in support of it. I remember no singular Pied Piper, rather an overwhelming group of pilots who saw the TA as simply a bad deal. There is no greater evidence of this than our 85% rejection. Your statements make me question your relationship to RAH. At best you are severely disconnected from our pilot group.

To your other point that the money is gone and a follow up TA will be lower- then so be it. If an airline can't afford to pay half it's pilot group a living wage, then maybe it shouldn't exist. I say that as a 6 year FO tired of making 40k a year. (BTW, the TA would have brought me up to around 46. Big whoop!)

Originally Posted by magnus0322

Exactly. We still would have lagged behind SkyWest in hourly FO rates. The gray areas in the language would have negated most of the financial gains. We still would not have had true cancellation pay. No work rules worth anything. Useless trip and duty rigs. No min day except for day trips. We would have all been reserve pilots because we would have been contactable. We would have had to sit hot reserve (something our current pos contract doesn't allow). We would have had cobases with no defined terms, we were supposed to sign a blank check to the company and trust them.

To all that I said **** no. Keep blaming us for planes you were parking anyways BB. *******.

God bless.

Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat

What Akin pointed out was that the vote was based on a lot of people being given bad information and a lot of promises that can't be delivered on. And now that the door is closed and the money gone, it won't reopen anywhere near what it was, regardless of what was promised. That's what is confusing to him. That so many didn't read, ask or question. They blindly followed a Pied Piper who hasn't delivered on one promise yet.

Originally Posted by Oskeewowow

Your last paragraph is confusing to me. Who was this pied piper? What bad information was given? What promises were made? The TA came out and the only official voices talking were RD and two members of the negotiations Team who were in support of it. I remember no singular Pied Piper, rather an overwhelming group of pilots who saw the TA as simply a bad deal. There is no greater evidence of this than our 85% rejection. Your statements make me question your relationship to RAH. At best you are severely disconnected from our pilot group.

To your other point that the money is gone and a follow up TA will be lower- then so be it. If an airline can't afford to pay half it's pilot group a living wage, then maybe it shouldn't exist. I say that as a 6 year FO tired of making 40k a year. (BTW, the TA would have brought me up to around 46. Big whoop!)

Originally Posted by GoHomeLeg

I assume you are talking about the 77 million dollars BB used to repurchase RJET common stock (the same stock he sells regularly and would like to keep as high as possible). This money was never going to be used to better pilot pay/QOL. Did you notice that the announcement to use the 77 million dollars was made at 8 in the morning on the Monday that followed the Friday vote closure? Do you really think the Board of Directors got together over the weekend to hammer out this deal?

Furthermore, there is more to a TA than pay rates. The TA that was overwhelmingly rejected without any nudging by the local did absolutely nothing to improve the Quality of Life abuses RAH has become known for. I will wait for what I deserve.

Originally Posted by Loon

What you deserve is subjective. You will be waiting for a long, long time.