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02-15-2014, 07:37 AM
#81
Underpaid...
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 2,101
It doesn't take $100,000
Go rent a Cessna 152 or Cessna 172, buy a block of time at a slight discount, at a place that charges by the tach hour you're looking at $25,000-$30,000 tops for Private, Instrument, Commercial, CFI, CFII, whatever. Four year college another $25,000 in-state tuition and all the extras you have to pay unless you NEED to go to Embry Riddle then I guess yeah you are going to be poor for awhile, but that was YOUR decision.
So we're at $55,000 for schooling and training SPREAD over probably 5 years on average from age 18-22. If you aren't going to work, or try to save money I could see how you could spend a lot more money. Spend age 22-23 instructing or whatever and hope you have that magical $1500.
So no, $30,000 is not well below poverty. $11,490 is the poverty line for one in 2013. Even then the government gives those people food, cell phones, and all kinds of stuff.
You want poverty go look at another country, or someone in this country who truly cannot take care of themself. Stop being ridiculous.
You can't fight management with these weak, emotional, unable to backup arguments. I blew you out of the water in 5 seconds.
Go rent a Cessna 152 or Cessna 172, buy a block of time at a slight discount, at a place that charges by the tach hour you're looking at $25,000-$30,000 tops for Private, Instrument, Commercial, CFI, CFII, whatever. Four year college another $25,000 in-state tuition and all the extras you have to pay unless you NEED to go to Embry Riddle then I guess yeah you are going to be poor for awhile, but that was YOUR decision.
So we're at $55,000 for schooling and training SPREAD over probably 5 years on average from age 18-22. If you aren't going to work, or try to save money I could see how you could spend a lot more money. Spend age 22-23 instructing or whatever and hope you have that magical $1500.
So no, $30,000 is not well below poverty. $11,490 is the poverty line for one in 2013. Even then the government gives those people food, cell phones, and all kinds of stuff.
You want poverty go look at another country, or someone in this country who truly cannot take care of themself. Stop being ridiculous.
You can't fight management with these weak, emotional, unable to backup arguments. I blew you out of the water in 5 seconds.
SO lets say you find a part 141 school who charges you $100 for the airplane and the instructor out the door including tax, it will take you $19,000 just for flight training as long as you do everything at the bare bone minimum for PVT, INS & COM. You have to do 3 written exams and that will cost $450. Lets say the check rides are done by a fed so there is no charge but you do have to rent the airplane for the 3 rides and that will be around 6 hrs so $600. Lets say the study material was donated and just for these 3 you have $20,000.
Lets say that you the do CFI in the minimum of 3 hrs of check ride prep and the same for the CFII. So that would be $600 for airplane and instruction. You have to do 3 writ tens again so that would be another $450, so this will cost you around $1000 but you also must rent the airplane for the check rides. Lets say 3 hrs for both rides, add $300. So now you are up to $1300 for these certificates.
So far we are at a total of $21,300, and the training material has been donated, you have found the cheapest airplane and instructor around, you didn't pay taxes, your check rides were done by a FED, I didn't even mention the complex airplane for COM & CFI (still needed correct?), you did it in the minimum time & never needed ground school and your medical was donated.
The above scenario is unrealistic and we are still around 22k for training.
The reality is that you will pay around $130 for an airplane, $30-50 for an instructor, if you go 141 you will likely be paying more. You will pay for their specific study material, you will not be able to get a FED to conduct the check rides, you will be paying your own medical, you will be paying taxes, you will need extra ground training and extra flight training.
You can go to a mom and pop flight school at will still cost over 35k just for ratings, if you spread the training like you said over the 4 years, one you must still come up with the income, another is that you when you spread flight training out for example PVT over a year you will have to re accomplish training as there will be long gaps between maneuvers and it will take you longer.
02-15-2014, 07:38 AM
#82
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: Shiny One
Posts: 235
Uh, really? Peaked in 1999, huh? Well, gee, your own charts show that the biggest declines in household income were 2001-2009 when SOMEONE ELSE was President. THANKS, GW! Plus, your own charts show household incomes under Obama are finally starting to go back up.
Better look at your own facts.
Better look at your own facts.
School children sing praises to their savior Obama - YouTube
Back to the subject at hand the charts weren't really about GWB or BHO. Take it easy Komrad.
02-15-2014, 07:41 AM
#83
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 328
I would be very leery of those C300 rates. They did the same thing in the last contract slipping in E170 rates long before they were on anyone's radar. That can and will come back to haunt you and you'll be having the same fight 10 years from now after you've got a hundred of them on the certificate. Don't leave future FO's trying to figure how they got stuck flying an A320 sized airplane for 45K a year because you were too anxious to get your hands on a pay raise. TREAD CAREFULLY.
02-15-2014, 07:51 AM
#84
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2010
Posts: 611
No. $30k a year isn't poverty wages but is that really what we're shooting for? Not being on welfare? Which, by the way, some of us with kids qualify for. Our profession merits more pay...period. If we all demanded it we would get it. Simple as that. We cannot be replaced. A train conductor makes 10 times what a regional pilot makes and he doesn't have to make turns!!
No one made you have children.
Train conductors don't make 10 times what you make.
Easy on the hyperbole.
02-15-2014, 07:55 AM
#85
No Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 362
Pardon me Komrad, *clears throat*, Hail Obama, our Lord and Savior, second coming of the son of Yahweh, and the holy ghost of Obama may fill our hearts.
School children sing praises to their savior Obama - YouTube
Back to the subject at hand the charts weren't really about GWB or BHO. Take it easy Komrad.
School children sing praises to their savior Obama - YouTube
Back to the subject at hand the charts weren't really about GWB or BHO. Take it easy Komrad.
Not sayin' Prez 44 is the Holy Grail, but thanks for the heartfelt praise nonetheless!
...and now back to our regularly scheduled RAH contract kerfuffle...
02-15-2014, 08:02 AM
#86
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 30
CNN Money article excerpt.
read the rest here:
Poverty rate 15%, median income $51,017 - Sep. 17, 2013
Then you have this
U.S. Household Incomes By Age Brackets
So if you are a 35 year old 2nd year regional FO with a wife and three kids you are kind of an outlier.
Does that make our pay ok? No, but you said $30,000 was below poverty, and all I am thinking is you are very very confused.
Go drink some water, and watching some Dr. Phil.
read the rest here:
Poverty rate 15%, median income $51,017 - Sep. 17, 2013
Then you have this
U.S. Household Incomes By Age Brackets
So if you are a 35 year old 2nd year regional FO with a wife and three kids you are kind of an outlier.
Does that make our pay ok? No, but you said $30,000 was below poverty, and all I am thinking is you are very very confused.
Go drink some water, and watching some Dr. Phil.
02-15-2014, 08:11 AM
#87
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 328
There are many management stooges trolling these threads just like in the Eagle threads. Notice how certain posters vanished right after the vote?
There is something sinister about the inclusion of those C series rates that is just not sitting well. It's the proverbial "poison apple" and I'm having a hard time getting past it.
There is something sinister about the inclusion of those C series rates that is just not sitting well. It's the proverbial "poison apple" and I'm having a hard time getting past it.
02-15-2014, 08:40 AM
#88
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: Hot Seat
Posts: 56
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It doesn't take $100,000
Go rent a Cessna 152 or Cessna 172, buy a block of time at a slight discount, at a place that charges by the tach hour you're looking at $25,000-$30,000 tops for Private, Instrument, Commercial, CFI, CFII, whatever. Four year college another $25,000 in-state tuition and all the extras you have to pay unless you NEED to go to Embry Riddle then I guess yeah you are going to be poor for awhile, but that was YOUR decision.
So we're at $55,000 for schooling and training SPREAD over probably 5 years on average from age 18-22. If you aren't going to work, or try to save money I could see how you could spend a lot more money. Spend age 22-23 instructing or whatever and hope you have that magical $1500.
So no, $30,000 is not well below poverty. $11,490 is the poverty line for one in 2013. Even then the government gives those people food, cell phones, and all kinds of stuff.
You want poverty go look at another country, or someone in this country who truly cannot take care of themself. Stop being ridiculous.
You can't fight management with these weak, emotional, unable to backup arguments. I blew you out of the water in 5 seconds.
Go rent a Cessna 152 or Cessna 172, buy a block of time at a slight discount, at a place that charges by the tach hour you're looking at $25,000-$30,000 tops for Private, Instrument, Commercial, CFI, CFII, whatever. Four year college another $25,000 in-state tuition and all the extras you have to pay unless you NEED to go to Embry Riddle then I guess yeah you are going to be poor for awhile, but that was YOUR decision.
So we're at $55,000 for schooling and training SPREAD over probably 5 years on average from age 18-22. If you aren't going to work, or try to save money I could see how you could spend a lot more money. Spend age 22-23 instructing or whatever and hope you have that magical $1500.
So no, $30,000 is not well below poverty. $11,490 is the poverty line for one in 2013. Even then the government gives those people food, cell phones, and all kinds of stuff.
You want poverty go look at another country, or someone in this country who truly cannot take care of themself. Stop being ridiculous.
You can't fight management with these weak, emotional, unable to backup arguments. I blew you out of the water in 5 seconds.
Based on the little I've seen on here of the TA, itdeserves nothing less than a 100 percent NO vote. Do the right thing here RAH pilots! Stand strong, the rough ride will be over with sooner than you may think.
02-15-2014, 08:48 AM
#89
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2013
Position: erj-145 FO
Posts: 166
with the 41 plus planes going away this year at RAH, its a no vote, ill be an FO after 7 years still making less than 50K getting bent over by crappy work rules. unless they greatly improve our work rules and start treating the people that work here like humans. Here is hoping we are comair3,
02-15-2014, 08:57 AM
#90
Dumb Pilot
Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: Broke
Posts: 784
It doesn't take $100,000
Go rent a Cessna 152 or Cessna 172, buy a block of time at a slight discount, at a place that charges by the tach hour you're looking at $25,000-$30,000 tops for Private, Instrument, Commercial, CFI, CFII, whatever. Four year college another $25,000 in-state tuition and all the extras you have to pay unless you NEED to go to Embry Riddle then I guess yeah you are going to be poor for awhile, but that was YOUR decision.
So we're at $55,000 for schooling and training SPREAD over probably 5 years on average from age 18-22. If you aren't going to work, or try to save money I could see how you could spend a lot more money. Spend age 22-23 instructing or whatever and hope you have that magical $1500.
So no, $30,000 is not well below poverty. $11,490 is the poverty line for one in 2013. Even then the government gives those people food, cell phones, and all kinds of stuff.
You want poverty go look at another country, or someone in this country who truly cannot take care of themself. Stop being ridiculous.
You can't fight management with these weak, emotional, unable to backup arguments. I blew you out of the water in 5 seconds.
Go rent a Cessna 152 or Cessna 172, buy a block of time at a slight discount, at a place that charges by the tach hour you're looking at $25,000-$30,000 tops for Private, Instrument, Commercial, CFI, CFII, whatever. Four year college another $25,000 in-state tuition and all the extras you have to pay unless you NEED to go to Embry Riddle then I guess yeah you are going to be poor for awhile, but that was YOUR decision.
So we're at $55,000 for schooling and training SPREAD over probably 5 years on average from age 18-22. If you aren't going to work, or try to save money I could see how you could spend a lot more money. Spend age 22-23 instructing or whatever and hope you have that magical $1500.
So no, $30,000 is not well below poverty. $11,490 is the poverty line for one in 2013. Even then the government gives those people food, cell phones, and all kinds of stuff.
You want poverty go look at another country, or someone in this country who truly cannot take care of themself. Stop being ridiculous.
You can't fight management with these weak, emotional, unable to backup arguments. I blew you out of the water in 5 seconds.
I have instructed at a very well known 141 school for five years, and your estimate of $55,000 is not even close. That doesn't even include a 4 year degree if you want to go to a major, but since you think $55000 is all it takes is is right that starting salary is half that?
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