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02-15-2014, 07:00 AM
#71
The NeverEnding Story
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Why does ANYBODY think RAH pilots, given that their company just came out and very publicly said they are walking away from revenue because they don't have enough pilots to fly airplanes they already have AND is working under a 10+ year old CBA would TA a concessionary contract?
02-15-2014, 07:01 AM
#72
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
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Posts: 235
Why does ANYBODY think RAH pilots, given that their company just came out and very publicly said they are walking away from revenue because they don't have enough pilots to fly airplanes they already have AND is working under a 10+ year old CBA would TA a concessionary contract?
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by AppleAceFaced October 05, 2007
02-15-2014, 07:11 AM
#74
Sitting and scratching...
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02-15-2014, 07:14 AM
#75
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: Shiny One
Posts: 235
Go rent a Cessna 152 or Cessna 172, buy a block of time at a slight discount, at a place that charges by the tach hour you're looking at $25,000-$30,000 tops for Private, Instrument, Commercial, CFI, CFII, whatever. Four year college another $25,000 in-state tuition and all the extras you have to pay unless you NEED to go to Embry Riddle then I guess yeah you are going to be poor for awhile, but that was YOUR decision.
So we're at $55,000 for schooling and training SPREAD over probably 5 years on average from age 18-22. If you aren't going to work, or try to save money I could see how you could spend a lot more money. Spend age 22-23 instructing or whatever and hope you have that magical $1500.
So no, $30,000 is not well below poverty. $11,490 is the poverty line for one in 2013. Even then the government gives those people food, cell phones, and all kinds of stuff.
You want poverty go look at another country, or someone in this country who truly cannot take care of themself. Stop being ridiculous.
You can't fight management with these weak, emotional, unable to backup arguments. I blew you out of the water in 5 seconds.
02-15-2014, 07:25 AM
#77
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 263
Upping the FO pay rates is a self serving benefit for the company. Don't forget that. They'll be able to better attract new pilots and in the mean time stick it to those on property with the crappy wording and abuse of the contract.... Don't forget that.
02-15-2014, 07:29 AM
#78
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 362
Better look at your own facts.
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02-15-2014, 07:33 AM
#79
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Joined APC: Apr 2012
Posts: 25
This was on another forum:
Everything in LBFO +
- One additional holiday
- Premium pay for over 87 hrs (no information about what premium pay is)
- Allows co-bases like JFK/LGA within 50 miles (HELL NO)
- Hybrid basis (protects IFP/ACY)
- 3 day vacation slide either way Has to be approved by Scheduling
- Short call Reserve 2 hours (from 1.5) Still 1.5 hours
- Added long call reserve (12 hours), but the devil is in the details if the company has to use it
- Requires pilots to be contactable by notification This should be an automatic NO
- Adds option of self notify
- Removed trade limit
- If pairing ends by 0200 still considered same day, pretty much the same as before
- Reserves can bid open trips within 7 days Has to be approved by scheduling
- FIFO call out system (First in First Out)
- 4 hours min day credit for day trips Most day trips are already over 4 hours
- 5 hours of pay for airport standby pay, they made a big deal about this but it was in our old CBA, the company rarely uses it... Never used now
- Duty rig : 1:2.5
- Trip rig : 1:4.2 (its useless)
- Full CX pay Trip CX pay
- $8 mil bonus to be divided up, DOH prior to 12/31/2007 gets $5k, after that its pro-rated down equally
FO pay is somewhere around...
YR 1 30/hr
YR 2 35/hr
YR 3 37/hr
... not sure exact year by year after this
YR 9 ~47/hr
1% increase per year after DOS for 4 years
-175 CA red circle group for two years after DOS (they would actually take a pay cut if this didn't exist)
Everything in LBFO +
- One additional holiday
- Premium pay for over 87 hrs (no information about what premium pay is)
- Allows co-bases like JFK/LGA within 50 miles (HELL NO)
- Hybrid basis (protects IFP/ACY)
- 3 day vacation slide either way Has to be approved by Scheduling
- Short call Reserve 2 hours (from 1.5) Still 1.5 hours
- Added long call reserve (12 hours), but the devil is in the details if the company has to use it
- Requires pilots to be contactable by notification This should be an automatic NO
- Adds option of self notify
- Removed trade limit
- If pairing ends by 0200 still considered same day, pretty much the same as before
- Reserves can bid open trips within 7 days Has to be approved by scheduling
- FIFO call out system (First in First Out)
- 4 hours min day credit for day trips Most day trips are already over 4 hours
- 5 hours of pay for airport standby pay, they made a big deal about this but it was in our old CBA, the company rarely uses it... Never used now
- Duty rig : 1:2.5
- Trip rig : 1:4.2 (its useless)
- Full CX pay Trip CX pay
- $8 mil bonus to be divided up, DOH prior to 12/31/2007 gets $5k, after that its pro-rated down equally
FO pay is somewhere around...
YR 1 30/hr
YR 2 35/hr
YR 3 37/hr
... not sure exact year by year after this
YR 9 ~47/hr
1% increase per year after DOS for 4 years
-175 CA red circle group for two years after DOS (they would actually take a pay cut if this didn't exist)
Stay Strong
02-15-2014, 07:33 AM
#80
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 211
No. $30k a year isn't poverty wages but is that really what we're shooting for? Not being on welfare? Which, by the way, some of us with kids qualify for. Our profession merits more pay...period. If we all demanded it we would get it. Simple as that. We cannot be replaced. A train conductor makes 10 times what a regional pilot makes and he doesn't have to make turns!!
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