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02-15-2014, 05:15 AM
#63
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: FO - 757/767
Posts: 1,228
Lady, you clearly don't work at RAH, so how about you leave your condescending comments to yourself. It is not a matter of immaturity, but frustration. Frustration from a pilot group who have been repeatedly been used and abused. I have to say, it must be nice from your Brown seat that you make a comment like that.
Things are changing in this segment of aviation, and it would be nice to have some support. We are NOT flying 19 seat turbo-prop airplanes anymore, and we REFUSE to be compensated like it! Between XJET and Eagle, thousands of pilots and their leadership have told management that we deserve better. If we are going to be stuck in this "regional" world for an indefinite period as upward mobility is styfled, then we deserve our piece of the pie. Long GONE are the 5 year commuter "dues". So the pay structure needs to go as well!
The people that created the "RJ" world by voting off the scope, this is your Frankenstein. But I will be dammed if we allow the sub-par pay structure and quality of life to continue at RAH. Call it what you will, "Jetblue or better" proposals, but the pilots of S5, YX, and CHQ have stood by each other not to allow for concessions. We have been operating 70+ seat aircraft before anyone else, and trying like hell to get compensated for it. It has not been an easy road, but we are still trying. So we will read, and I presume say NO to this TA. Vote like you will be stuck here, and this contract will last 10 years. FUPM!
Things are changing in this segment of aviation, and it would be nice to have some support. We are NOT flying 19 seat turbo-prop airplanes anymore, and we REFUSE to be compensated like it! Between XJET and Eagle, thousands of pilots and their leadership have told management that we deserve better. If we are going to be stuck in this "regional" world for an indefinite period as upward mobility is styfled, then we deserve our piece of the pie. Long GONE are the 5 year commuter "dues". So the pay structure needs to go as well!
The people that created the "RJ" world by voting off the scope, this is your Frankenstein. But I will be dammed if we allow the sub-par pay structure and quality of life to continue at RAH. Call it what you will, "Jetblue or better" proposals, but the pilots of S5, YX, and CHQ have stood by each other not to allow for concessions. We have been operating 70+ seat aircraft before anyone else, and trying like hell to get compensated for it. It has not been an easy road, but we are still trying. So we will read, and I presume say NO to this TA. Vote like you will be stuck here, and this contract will last 10 years. FUPM!
I have many friends at RAH and I would hate to see them miss out on money in the meantime while another ta takes 6 more months to hammer out.
Dude, how about this notion: read the ta(thoroughly) THEN vote!
Your chosen antics of voting no regardless of what is in the ta is childish at best.
Plus, I've got a ton of experience in this field and take my word for it; the instant no voters are bad for everyone.
02-15-2014, 05:23 AM
#64
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,611
All this mental masturbation, posturing, and VOTE NO-ness when the document (or even basic bullet points) have't been put out yet...
And anybody that thinks RAH pilots should vote no to any agreement that doesn't provide 50%+ payraises at DOS is naive and ignorant to the history and realities of collective bargaining.
And anybody that thinks RAH pilots should vote no to any agreement that doesn't provide 50%+ payraises at DOS is naive and ignorant to the history and realities of collective bargaining.
02-15-2014, 05:42 AM
#65
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: What day is it?
Posts: 963
All this mental masturbation, posturing, and VOTE NO-ness when the document (or even basic bullet points) have't been put out yet...
And anybody that thinks RAH pilots should vote no to any agreement that doesn't provide 50%+ payraises at DOS is naive and ignorant to the history and realities of collective bargaining.
And anybody that thinks RAH pilots should vote no to any agreement that doesn't provide 50%+ payraises at DOS is naive and ignorant to the history and realities of collective bargaining.
HotmamaPilot Okay, you need to thicken that skin a bit. If you think that my comment was condescending, then you must be a real hoot!
I have many friends at RAH and I would hate to see them miss out on money in the meantime while another ta takes 6 more months to hammer out.
Dude, how about this notion: read the ta(thoroughly) THEN vote!
Your chosen antics of voting no regardless of what is in the ta is childish at best.
Plus, I've got a ton of experience in this field and take my word for it; the instant no voters are bad for everyone.
I have many friends at RAH and I would hate to see them miss out on money in the meantime while another ta takes 6 more months to hammer out.
Dude, how about this notion: read the ta(thoroughly) THEN vote!
Your chosen antics of voting no regardless of what is in the ta is childish at best.
Plus, I've got a ton of experience in this field and take my word for it; the instant no voters are bad for everyone.
Really? And before this you had a numbskull of an ExCo President demanding 747-400 wages? And how many years of failed discussions?
Do yourselves a big favor. Dial it in, do your job and wait until you have a document to look at and some explanations from the people who negotiated the TA.
Then make an informed decision like a professional.
02-15-2014, 06:47 AM
#67
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 30
I wonder how many passengers know about the low pays. And I wonder how they would feel flying with a FO that gets payed less than most waiters and bus boys.
At my lasik consultation my doctor brought up an article he read about the pay rate and his reaction and facial expression was priceless. He was seriously disgusted.
02-15-2014, 06:53 AM
#68
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: Shiny One
Posts: 235
Exactly! What other professions do you have multiple lives in your hands and get payed less than 30k? I mean seriously, isn't 30k a year still considered below poverty income?
I wonder how many passengers know about the low pays. And I wonder how they would feel flying with a FO that gets payed less than most waiters and bus boys.
At my lasik consultation my doctor brought up an article he read about the pay rate and his reaction and facial expression was priceless. He was seriously disgusted.
I wonder how many passengers know about the low pays. And I wonder how they would feel flying with a FO that gets payed less than most waiters and bus boys.
At my lasik consultation my doctor brought up an article he read about the pay rate and his reaction and facial expression was priceless. He was seriously disgusted.
read the rest here:
Poverty rate 15%, median income $51,017 - Sep. 17, 2013
Americans were the richest in 1999, when median household income was $56,080, adjusted for inflation.
THANKS OSAMABAMA!
Who is earning the most: Young people continued to struggle last year, with those under the age of 35 seeing slight drops in income while those 35 and made some gains.
Women made 77% of what men made, unchanged from the year before but up from 61% in 1960. Over one million men found full time work last year, as the economy recovered. Some have dubbed the most recent recession the "mancession," as large numbers of men have left the workforce.
Asians had the highest household income ($68,600), followed by whites ($57,000), Hispanics ($39,000) and blacks ($33,300).
THANKS OSAMABAMA!
Who is earning the most: Young people continued to struggle last year, with those under the age of 35 seeing slight drops in income while those 35 and made some gains.
Women made 77% of what men made, unchanged from the year before but up from 61% in 1960. Over one million men found full time work last year, as the economy recovered. Some have dubbed the most recent recession the "mancession," as large numbers of men have left the workforce.
Asians had the highest household income ($68,600), followed by whites ($57,000), Hispanics ($39,000) and blacks ($33,300).
U.S. Household Incomes By Age Brackets
So if you are a 35 year old 2nd year regional FO with a wife and three kids you are kind of an outlier.
Does that make our pay ok? No, but you said $30,000 was below poverty, and all I am thinking is you are very very confused.
Go drink some water, and watching some Dr. Phil.
02-15-2014, 06:54 AM
#69
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Grounded
Posts: 451
[/QUOTE]Plus, I've got a ton of experience in this field and take my word for it; the instant no voters are bad for everyone.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you that the instant no vote is a bad decision for anyone to make. Make an informed decision based on
1. How it will affect your QOL and pay
2. What effect would it have on the aviation community and industry
3. How will it affect those coming after
You work in a totally different sector of the airline community than us and might not know of the changes that are occurring here at the regional level. We here at XJT (83%) voted down our TA and now the Eagle MEC also felt that what was given to them was concessionary. Both of us were told that we would be the next Comair and we have understood the implications of such a statement. I am a 7 year FO at XJT with a family and mortgage so I understood what it would mean for me. We are tired of the stagnation and the low pay and refuse to give more concessions in any form.
A lot of us would like to see more of the flying truly go back to where it should be - mainline. This not only improves the chances for us to move on but it would also help the cause of our mainline pilots. This will not put the downward pressure that their mangement would be asking them due to the repeated concessions taken by the regionals. Also, remember that the same person that is willing to take a concession now here at the regional level because of how it can benefit them for the here and now, might be the same person who can come to UPS and vote for concessions when asked by your management.
02-15-2014, 06:56 AM
#70
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,611
Originally Posted by MooneyBlues
I mean seriously, isn't 30k a year still considered below poverty income?
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