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03-01-2014, 02:16 PM
#221
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Posts: 926
The SAP if done correctly will be a great QOL improvement. Language on that will be the key....
I bet they'll get their 50.1% to vote yes.....
I do find it funny they compare CA rates to AA.. B6 pays better and AA in 2018 @ 12 years will be $159 an hour. Year 2 E190 will be over $140.....
I bet they'll get their 50.1% to vote yes.....
I do find it funny they compare CA rates to AA.. B6 pays better and AA in 2018 @ 12 years will be $159 an hour. Year 2 E190 will be over $140.....
Also, your SAP qualifier states "if done correctly." Therein lies the problem...the company will immediately begin working to erode all giveaways using the legalese and ambiguous statements that have been strategically placed in the contract.
No.
03-01-2014, 02:20 PM
#222
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Airbus button pusher
Posts: 2,448
That was the first thing that caught my eye. Those rigs are completely worthless...
I agree. I didn't spend too much time reading it, but it mentioned "industry leading" first year pay? I didn't see a number. Based on contractual pay raises, for someone hired at Horizon TODAY, this would be the scale:
29.67
40.78
42.61
44.48
46.41
47.67
48.92
50.17
These rates were negotiated in 2012. There's no reason any current contract should be lower than a contract negotiated in 2012.
I agree. I didn't spend too much time reading it, but it mentioned "industry leading" first year pay? I didn't see a number. Based on contractual pay raises, for someone hired at Horizon TODAY, this would be the scale:
29.67
40.78
42.61
44.48
46.41
47.67
48.92
50.17
These rates were negotiated in 2012. There's no reason any current contract should be lower than a contract negotiated in 2012.
03-01-2014, 02:36 PM
#223
patience
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,068
03-01-2014, 03:06 PM
#225
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Airbus button pusher
Posts: 2,448
03-01-2014, 05:45 PM
#230
Works Every Weekend
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,210
Reserve and composite min guarantee is 86.3 hours. Line holder min guarantee is 80.3 hours.
86.3/35 days is 2.47 hours per day, or 899.99 hours per year.
80.3/35 days is 2.29 hours per day, or 837.41 hours per year.
For a 12-bid system with the common min guarantee of 75 hours:
75 per bid times 12 bids = 900 hours per year.
Some other companies also have slightly lower min guarantee for line holders. Eagle is an example, with 72.
72 per bid times 12 bids = 864 hours per year.
So Horizon is short by .01 hours of min guarantee per year for a reserve or composite line holder. Normal line holders do credit slightly less. For the record, on a composite line, my per-bid credit has been up around 100 before any additional flying. Corrected for a 12-bid cycle, that would be around 87 hours per bid.
Our 35-day bid period certainly does take a little getting used to, (mainly the pay schedule) but it doesn't take money out of your pocket unless you choose for that to happen.
Nope...
Last edited by pete2800; 03-01-2014 at 05:56 PM.
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