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03-01-2014, 11:29 AM

#211

unclenobby

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Position: Wet behind the ear pis$ ant FO

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Easy NO ---

03-01-2014, 12:04 PM

#212

Saabs

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Is this TA better or worse than the "last and final" offer management gave them a year or so ago? What's first year pay?

03-01-2014, 12:11 PM

#213

Washout

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A yes vote only prolongs your sentence at RAH. Makes the regionals too expensive to operate and the majors will begin to take this flying back. Let the bottom feeders sign their crappy contracts, when they can't staff it'll send a message to everyone. As professionals we'll probably never have this type of leverage ever again to get a fair contract. FUPM

03-01-2014, 12:13 PM

#214

Bozo the pilot

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Please vote NO NO NO guys. you deserve much better. Show Bedford up! He's an terrible person.

03-01-2014, 12:32 PM

#215

dmncnpilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot

Please vote NO NO NO guys. you deserve much better. Show Bedford up! He's an terrible person.

A terrible person that hides behind religion. F'ing a-hole

03-01-2014, 12:53 PM

#216

HermannGraf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dmncnpilot

A terrible person that hides behind religion. F'ing a-hole

A good question is

Who put together the TA?

Who divided the total pay the company is willing to pay for a crew? Was it the company or is it the negotiation group representing the pilots?

03-01-2014, 01:25 PM

#217

pete2800

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590

1:2.5 duty rig?

lol

If Silver can do 1:2 duty rig you can too.

That was the first thing that caught my eye. Those rigs are completely worthless...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Air Wisconsin's second year FO pay rate, on the "dying" CRJ-200, is $38.86.

So one might forgive us if $36.00/hr isn't exactly revolutionary.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlaskaBound

Not only is Air Wisconsin's 2nd year pay higher, so is Horizon ($40/hour), ExpressJet ($39/hour), Compass ($37/hour), and SkyWest ($37-39/hour).

I agree. I didn't spend too much time reading it, but it mentioned "industry leading" first year pay? I didn't see a number. Based on contractual pay raises, for someone hired at Horizon TODAY, this would be the scale:

29.67
40.78
42.61
44.48
46.41
47.67
48.92
50.17

These rates were negotiated in 2012. There's no reason any current contract should be lower than a contract negotiated in 2012.

03-01-2014, 01:56 PM

#218

Ptang

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meyers9163

The SAP if done correctly will be a great QOL improvement. Language on that will be the key....

I bet they'll get their 50.1% to vote yes.....

I do find it funny they compare CA rates to AA.. B6 pays better and AA in 2018 @ 12 years will be $159 an hour. Year 2 E190 will be over $140.....

I'll take your bet....how much? I say 80-90% NO vote

03-01-2014, 02:06 PM

#219

sidelinesam

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meyers9163

The SAP if done correctly will be a great QOL improvement. Language on that will be the key....

I bet they'll get their 50.1% to vote yes.....

I do find it funny they compare CA rates to AA.. B6 pays better and AA in 2018 @ 12 years will be $159 an hour. Year 2 E190 will be over $140.....

Go back to your bottom-feeding, leading the race to the bottom, hole in the ground. I and most of my other RAH brethren are pushing not to join you PSA clowns anytime soon.

03-01-2014, 02:07 PM

#220

Nevets

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HermannGraf

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmncnpilot

A terrible person that hides behind religion. F'ing a-hole

A good question is

Who put together the TA?

Who divided the total pay the company is willing to pay for a crew? Was it the company or is it the negotiation group representing the pilots?

I don't think it's a good assumption to assume that it works that way. That sounds like the way Skywest does things. Usually it's horse trading. Management doesn't just say here is how big your pie is and I don't care how you pilots divide it, unless you have no real leverage. Unions can usually make the pie bigger by creating leverage because the first pie that management presents to the the negotiators is never the biggest pie possible.