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Old 02-22-2014, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
Big words from someone who has no clue what's in it.

Or do you have all the specifics?

Seems to me that if it's a good deal, the ones who should be upset are the guys whose union President has been telling them "sorry, nothing we can do for you regional guys..."
Get it right, he calls us FFD pilots! Ohh and NOW he think that management has overreached and that we need better QOL and pay as we are professional pilots! Funny how things change during election year.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Hetman
Weasel-Words

Read it cover to cover. Better yet, do a word search looking for open ended words and phrases.

Does it say "may" or does it say "shall?" If the former, apply it in context and assume you will lose the grievance.

Does it say "subject to?" If so, insert the words "the whim of" in order to achieve the full meaning of the clause.

Does it say "at the discretion of?" Change to read "under no circumstances."

These are only a few examples. Check carefully. Regardless of what is contained within the TA, the wording needs to be TIGHT. Without that, all that BB&Co have to do is say "That is not our interpretation" and it's off to Grievanceland with the lot of you. There is a rich and storied history.

Check carefully for the weasel words. They are evidence of bad faith at best and a con job at worst
This. When you get the TA, your first read should be looking for the weasel-words. XJT's TA had far too many of them. To assume it was just bad faith is being too generous. The company has proven over many years what they will do with discretion. If it is in your favor and not boilerplate, it doesnt exist.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:06 AM
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I don't think so. If there is a TA, it must go to the membership for a vote.
This is an incorrect statement. That only applies to a "Last Best Final Offer", not a TA.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30
This is an incorrect statement. That only applies to a "Last Best Final Offer", not a TA.
The RAH EB can approve a tentative agreement, and enter into a binding CBA with the company, without member ratification of that agreement?
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:15 AM
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if they approve it goes to a vote, if not it goes no where like the eagle ta.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by STR8NLVL
It will go to a vote, and it is a giant **** sandwich! I hope every RAH pilot votes HELL NO!
Big words from someone who has no clue what's in it.

Or do you have all the specifics?

Seems to me that if it's a good deal, the ones who should be upset are the guys whose union President has been telling them "sorry, nothing we can do for you regional guys..."
I know the specifics. But I'm not discussing them here until they're released.

But I'm positive my vote is no.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ATCsaidDoWhat
Big words from someone who has no clue what's in it.

Or do you have all the specifics?

Seems to me that if it's a good deal, the ones who should be upset are the guys whose union President has been telling them "sorry, nothing we can do for you regional guys..."
There's a lot of truth to that statement. The second a TA is voted in at Republic the ball will be in ALPA's court to see if they can capitalize on what we're assuming to be significant gains. If they can't deliver not only will it be a colossal failure for ALPA but probably the beginning of the end of their viability at the regional level. They desperately need a win if they want to keep representing all those "FFD" pilots.
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that is reason alone to vote NO.
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by STR8NLVL
I know the specifics. But I'm not discussing them here until they're released.

But I'm positive my vote is no.
So...you were at the table? Or are you on the Ex Board?

If you're not one of those, then the only way you'd know is if you're management.
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The RAH EB can approve a tentative agreement, and enter into a binding CBA with the company, without member ratification of that agreement?
Nope. That is not permitted either.
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