Originally Posted by Karma

This is so far from the truth I don't even know where to begin. My average legs per day is 3 with lots of 2 leg days. I have countless 4 to 6 hour duty days with long 25 hour layovers. Maybe once a month I will have a long 13 hour day but my average duty day is 8 hours. The average flight length is 2.5 hours with some 4 hour flights. New hires are getting a line with 14-15 days off. I had 17-18 days off a month when I was a senior FO on the 170. I never lost money one time out of 6 years with a cancellation. I was always reassigned after a cancelled flight which you still get paid if you do something else. If you fly a 78 hour line and all of your flights get cancelled for the whole month and you never work 1 minute you still get paid for 75 hours and lose 3 hours of pay. The choice is yours...1.5 years of reserve in a corporate style jet vs 1 month of reserve in an airliner.

Originally Posted by starship

Totally false. Early and mid 07' hires are now Captains so there is no way 08 hires at CHQ are still on reserve as an FO. Most reserve lines in all bases except CMH are only 4-5 deep at most. You're not helping anyone by making stuff up.

Originally Posted by sqwkvfr

EVERY SINGLE ONE of your points should have an asterisk at the end with the "small print" at the bottom of your posts.

While I question the "8-hour average duty day" on its face, you have to tell the folks that your days only average 8 hours because RAH trips will have one short day per 4-day, but work you just shy of 14 hours right up until midnight on your last day. No commute home and no fatigue calls because the crew "just wants to get home." Also, trips start VERY early and end VERY late because of RAH's fatiguing outstation basing strategy. This robs crews of nearly a full extra day both preparing for and recovering from a trip on your days off. ...and you will develop a sleep disorder.

Anyone with as much experience as you claim to have should understand that 25-hour layovers SUCK! RAH uses them to keep crew in hub cities (where they should be based in the first place) so they can be available for reassignment should they need a replacement on another trip or to cover a trip because of RAH's anorexic staffing. RAH's contract proposal requires crew members to be AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES DURING A TRIP for such reassignments, which means that we would have to pay for cell phones with INTERNATIONAL SERVICE (because we fly to Canada (with no international override or per-diem, by the way)) and would be required to answer them at all times of the day or nights while on a trip whenever the company calls! Nice place to work, huh?

Cancelled flights are not pay protected just because you "do something else." The company uses an interpretation that DOES NOT DO THIS! Funny how you've never lost any money in 6 years because of a cancellation...I was hired 2+ years ago and have lost a LOT of money...one 4-day trip ended up crediting just over 9 hours. $270 for FOUR DAY'S PAY! $67.50 PER DAY.

I would also like to add that my new hire class contained 17 people...a little over 2 years later, exactly FOUR of us are still here.

Even your 75 hour claim is a lie....if you really work for RAH (as a pilot) you should very well know the term "adjusted guarantee," which, at RAH, makes the word "guarantee" completely worthless. I learned this the hard way on payday after said 9-hour four day.

I just looked at 4-day pairing for next month...chosen randomly...3 of my days are 12-hour days...one with a sit just shy of four hours in a base WHERE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A FLIPPIN CREW ROOM!! 8 hour average, MY ASS! ...in fact, I'd say that I've had more days with 8 hours of SITTING than 4-hour duty days.

Days off: Yeah, you can end up with a lot of days off, but that doesn't do most a damn bit of good when they are in 2-day stretches, particularly when one has to cut short activities early the day before a trip to go to bed at 7PM with the hopes of getting 8 hours of sleep before getting up to go to work and then spend the day after a trip sleeping until noon just so your body can catch up with the circadian rhythm violations that are built into nearly every multi-day RAH trip.

You are clearly some sort of a management stooge or plant. RAH is not above this sort of tactic and I have never come across anyone at this place with the longevity that you claim to have and not possess a "f this place" attitude....the fact that you seem to be so blatantly on the opposite end tells me that you are some sort of a plant trying to defend the company against line pilots like myself in order to keep the new hires coming in or you're just a troll getting some sort of sick pleasure spreading misinformation to people who don't know any better. Your join date is suspect and the fact that you never say anything bad about RAH gives me strong suspicion to question your authenticity and motives.

Everyone who listens to you does so at their own peril.

I apologize for the tone, but you remind of Roger Cohen....you know, mister "people are staying at the regional airlines because they are finding the pay and work rules more to their liking" when he knew full well that the real reason was the retirement age change....also "no one has worked harder for these new rest rules than the regional airline industry."

(where's the tylenol?)

Originally Posted by sqwkvfr

EVERY SINGLE ONE of your points should have an asterisk at the end with the "small print" at the bottom of your posts.

While I question the "8-hour average duty day" on its face, you have to tell the folks that your days only average 8 hours because RAH trips will have one short day per 4-day, but work you just shy of 14 hours right up until midnight on your last day. No commute home and no fatigue calls because the crew "just wants to get home." Also, trips start VERY early and end VERY late because of RAH's fatiguing outstation basing strategy. This robs crews of nearly a full extra day both preparing for and recovering from a trip on your days off. ...and you will develop a sleep disorder.

Anyone with as much experience as you claim to have should understand that 25-hour layovers SUCK! RAH uses them to keep crew in hub cities (where they should be based in the first place) so they can be available for reassignment should they need a replacement on another trip or to cover a trip because of RAH's anorexic staffing. RAH's contract proposal requires crew members to be AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES DURING A TRIP for such reassignments, which means that we would have to pay for cell phones with INTERNATIONAL SERVICE (because we fly to Canada (with no international override or per-diem, by the way)) and would be required to answer them at all times of the day or nights while on a trip whenever the company calls! Nice place to work, huh?

Cancelled flights are not pay protected just because you "do something else." The company uses an interpretation that DOES NOT DO THIS! Funny how you've never lost any money in 6 years because of a cancellation...I was hired 2+ years ago and have lost a LOT of money...one 4-day trip ended up crediting just over 9 hours. $270 for FOUR DAY'S PAY! $67.50 PER DAY.

I would also like to add that my new hire class contained 17 people...a little over 2 years later, exactly FOUR of us are still here.

Even your 75 hour claim is a lie....if you really work for RAH (as a pilot) you should very well know the term "adjusted guarantee," which, at RAH, makes the word "guarantee" completely worthless. I learned this the hard way on payday after said 9-hour four day.

I just looked at 4-day pairing for next month...chosen randomly...3 of my days are 12-hour days...one with a sit just shy of four hours in a base WHERE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A FLIPPIN CREW ROOM!! 8 hour average, MY ASS! ...in fact, I'd say that I've had more days with 8 hours of SITTING than 4-hour duty days.

Days off: Yeah, you can end up with a lot of days off, but that doesn't do most a damn bit of good when they are in 2-day stretches, particularly when one has to cut short activities early the day before a trip to go to bed at 7PM with the hopes of getting 8 hours of sleep before getting up to go to work and then spend the day after a trip sleeping until noon just so your body can catch up with the circadian rhythm violations that are built into nearly every multi-day RAH trip.

You are clearly some sort of a management stooge or plant. RAH is not above this sort of tactic and I have never come across anyone at this place with the longevity that you claim to have and not possess a "f this place" attitude....the fact that you seem to be so blatantly on the opposite end tells me that you are some sort of a plant trying to defend the company against line pilots like myself in order to keep the new hires coming in or you're just a troll getting some sort of sick pleasure spreading misinformation to people who don't know any better. Your join date is suspect and the fact that you never say anything bad about RAH gives me strong suspicion to question your authenticity and motives.

Everyone who listens to you does so at their own peril.

I apologize for the tone, but you remind of Roger Cohen....you know, mister "people are staying at the regional airlines because they are finding the pay and work rules more to their liking" when he knew full well that the real reason was the retirement age change....also "no one has worked harder for these new rest rules than the regional airline industry."

(where's the tylenol?)

Originally Posted by Karma

Maybe in the short term but if your goal is to move on quicly then that is not true. The last time I checked who the non-previous captain new hires were at JetBlue and US Airways that got hired without having any turbine PIC time, they just happened to have experience on the same type of plane these mainline companies have. 170 and 190 are the same type, coincidence? I think not!

Originally Posted by PurdueFlyer

I personally know some Eagle and some SkyWest pilots that were hired by both JetBlue and US Airways.

There isn't anything special about being a RAH pilot. All you get is one of the worst contracts in the industry at a company that's going to have serious financial problems when it can't staff it's flying.

Those 47 AMR aircraft are going to be owned by RAH. Enjoy paying the leases on those when they are parked due to a lack of crews. Your crappy airline is headed down the Mesa chapter 11 path.

Originally Posted by flyguy23

While I agree its a crappy regional, those 47 planes will be staffed. If hiring doesn't support the amr flying, BB will gladly let a contract or two go from Chautauqua to staff the 175s. There is a reason all the new chq contracts are only for a year or two.