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05-13-2013, 09:00 AM
#102
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,922
Working at RAH is like your first few nights in prison. You know when the lights go out that you're getting prison sex. As the new fish on the block, you're gonna be the sheep and not the cowboy. You don't know how long being violated will last, but you hope that eventually you'll get paroled to a wing that is minimum security or even get to go home and wear an ankle monitor.
05-13-2013, 09:43 AM
#104
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: looking for both
Posts: 36
This is so far from the truth I don't even know where to begin. My average legs per day is 3 with lots of 2 leg days. I have countless 4 to 6 hour duty days with long 25 hour layovers. Maybe once a month I will have a long 13 hour day but my average duty day is 8 hours. The average flight length is 2.5 hours with some 4 hour flights. New hires are getting a line with 14-15 days off. I had 17-18 days off a month when I was a senior FO on the 170. I never lost money one time out of 6 years with a cancellation. I was always reassigned after a cancelled flight which you still get paid if you do something else. If you fly a 78 hour line and all of your flights get cancelled for the whole month and you never work 1 minute you still get paid for 75 hours and lose 3 hours of pay. The choice is yours...1.5 years of reserve in a corporate style jet vs 1 month of reserve in an airliner.
Anyways, there are a lot of 4-5 leg days, especially on first and last day of pairing. There are a ton of multiple multi hour sits in a single day along with those 3-5 legs. This had gotten a little better due to the union scheduling guys helping in fix problems with pairings; however, we were told this isn't happening anymore and the company is back to not giving two ****s. Your average flight is not 2.5 hours unless you are top 10% in base. It's more along the lines of 1:15 hours on average. Yes, you have nice long layovers if you're in an outstation base (CMH, IND, MCI, etc), but unless you live in those bases you can forget about commutability. This means you come in the day before, and go home the day after your trip. I'm based in PHL, so my trips are commutable, but average overnight is less than 12 hours, with many reduced rest overnights.
To the OP. I have no opinion as to which place is better, or worse, or will have a better future. But consider this. I came to Republic for two reasons. One, it had a base I wanted. Two, at the time I joined the pilot group was pretty happy here. Two was very important to me as I didn't want to find myself in a situation where I hate what I do because of the kind of company I work for. Well, I'm getting to that place pretty quickly. This company is terrible. And I am doing everything I can to move on from this place.
Good luck with any choice yo may make.
05-13-2013, 10:06 AM
#105
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2011
Position: El Capitan de Airbii
Posts: 287
Wow, you have to be getting some serious kickbacks from the company to be spreading this kind of misinformation. Average duty day is 8 hours? Average flight is 2.5 hours. Never loose any pay? Always get reassigned? Well, that one is actually correct, but under very different context. Line holders are getting reassigned left and right because of scheduling issues. Scheduling actually blamed me, along with the rest of the pilot group, for them having issues staffing airplanes and having to cancel flights. She said "if you pilots didn't call off all the time".
Anyways, there are a lot of 4-5 leg days, especially on first and last day of pairing. There are a ton of multiple multi hour sits in a single day along with those 3-5 legs. This had gotten a little better due to the union scheduling guys helping in fix problems with pairings; however, we were told this isn't happening anymore and the company is back to not giving two ****s. Your average flight is not 2.5 hours unless you are top 10% in base. It's more along the lines of 1:15 hours on average. Yes, you have nice long layovers if you're in an outstation base (CMH, IND, MCI, etc), but unless you live in those bases you can forget about commutability. This means you come in the day before, and go home the day after your trip. I'm based in PHL, so my trips are commutable, but average overnight is less than 12 hours, with many reduced rest overnights.
To the OP. I have no opinion as to which place is better, or worse, or will have a better future. But consider this. I came to Republic for two reasons. One, it had a base I wanted. Two, at the time I joined the pilot group was pretty happy here. Two was very important to me as I didn't want to find myself in a situation where I hate what I do because of the kind of company I work for. Well, I'm getting to that place pretty quickly. This company is terrible. And I am doing everything I can to move on from this place.
Good luck with any choice yo may make.
Anyways, there are a lot of 4-5 leg days, especially on first and last day of pairing. There are a ton of multiple multi hour sits in a single day along with those 3-5 legs. This had gotten a little better due to the union scheduling guys helping in fix problems with pairings; however, we were told this isn't happening anymore and the company is back to not giving two ****s. Your average flight is not 2.5 hours unless you are top 10% in base. It's more along the lines of 1:15 hours on average. Yes, you have nice long layovers if you're in an outstation base (CMH, IND, MCI, etc), but unless you live in those bases you can forget about commutability. This means you come in the day before, and go home the day after your trip. I'm based in PHL, so my trips are commutable, but average overnight is less than 12 hours, with many reduced rest overnights.
To the OP. I have no opinion as to which place is better, or worse, or will have a better future. But consider this. I came to Republic for two reasons. One, it had a base I wanted. Two, at the time I joined the pilot group was pretty happy here. Two was very important to me as I didn't want to find myself in a situation where I hate what I do because of the kind of company I work for. Well, I'm getting to that place pretty quickly. This company is terrible. And I am doing everything I can to move on from this place.
Good luck with any choice yo may make.
05-13-2013, 01:11 PM
#106
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 641
For sure go to Xjet! There are a bunch of clowns that are running RAH. IBT, who would be your union, has a president who no longer works for RAH and is a clown himself! Pilots and FA's are cool though.
05-13-2013, 02:13 PM
#107
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
Originally Posted by SeaRider:1408581
Wow, you have to be getting some serious kickbacks from the company to be spreading this kind of misinformation. Average duty day is 8 hours? Average flight is 2.5 hours. Never loose any pay? Always get reassigned? Well, that one is actually correct, but under very different context. Line holders are getting reassigned left and right because of scheduling issues. Scheduling actually blamed me, along with the rest of the pilot group, for them having issues staffing airplanes and having to cancel flights. She said "if you pilots didn't call off all the time".
Anyways, there are a lot of 4-5 leg days, especially on first and last day of pairing. There are a ton of multiple multi hour sits in a single day along with those 3-5 legs. This had gotten a little better due to the union scheduling guys helping in fix problems with pairings; however, we were told this isn't happening anymore and the company is back to not giving two ****s. Your average flight is not 2.5 hours unless you are top 10% in base. It's more along the lines of 1:15 hours on average. Yes, you have nice long layovers if you're in an outstation base (CMH, IND, MCI, etc), but unless you live in those bases you can forget about commutability. This means you come in the day before, and go home the day after your trip. I'm based in PHL, so my trips are commutable, but average overnight is less than 12 hours, with many reduced rest overnights.
To the OP. I have no opinion as to which place is better, or worse, or will have a better future. But consider this. I came to Republic for two reasons. One, it had a base I wanted. Two, at the time I joined the pilot group was pretty happy here. Two was very important to me as I didn't want to find myself in a situation where I hate what I do because of the kind of company I work for. Well, I'm getting to that place pretty quickly. This company is terrible. And I am doing everything I can to move on from this place.
Good luck with any choice yo may make.
Anyways, there are a lot of 4-5 leg days, especially on first and last day of pairing. There are a ton of multiple multi hour sits in a single day along with those 3-5 legs. This had gotten a little better due to the union scheduling guys helping in fix problems with pairings; however, we were told this isn't happening anymore and the company is back to not giving two ****s. Your average flight is not 2.5 hours unless you are top 10% in base. It's more along the lines of 1:15 hours on average. Yes, you have nice long layovers if you're in an outstation base (CMH, IND, MCI, etc), but unless you live in those bases you can forget about commutability. This means you come in the day before, and go home the day after your trip. I'm based in PHL, so my trips are commutable, but average overnight is less than 12 hours, with many reduced rest overnights.
To the OP. I have no opinion as to which place is better, or worse, or will have a better future. But consider this. I came to Republic for two reasons. One, it had a base I wanted. Two, at the time I joined the pilot group was pretty happy here. Two was very important to me as I didn't want to find myself in a situation where I hate what I do because of the kind of company I work for. Well, I'm getting to that place pretty quickly. This company is terrible. And I am doing everything I can to move on from this place.
Good luck with any choice yo may make.
05-14-2013, 08:48 AM
#108
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: Stick Monkey
Posts: 300
My 2 cents to the OP: it is in your best interest to NEVER support an entity that requires you to obligate yourself financially to them, especially when there are the same or even slightly "worse" options that require zero obligation (yes, im talking about the retarded 2 year contract at RAH). NO ONE should be going there with such a spanking financial instrument in place. The SJS disease pulls many in there thanks to low hanging engines but it'll cost you dearly - I hope you avoid RAH and any other group that requires payback like a dog avoids a Korean meat market
05-14-2013, 03:00 PM
#109
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: CA
Posts: 176
Maintenance hanger rent is too expensive in the hubs. The company is looking out for you anyways by offering a base in a nice city with much cheaper cost of living.
05-14-2013, 03:19 PM
#110
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
Originally Posted by Karma:1409316
Maintenance hanger rent is too expensive in the hubs. The company is looking out for you anyways by offering a base in a nice city with much cheaper cost of living.
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