Republic vs Eagle for new hire?
01-28-2013, 04:48 AM
#51
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That is not true! I bid to not get the ready reserve line and I got it month after month. I flew more than 5 legs at Eagle on the 145! Do I need to post some old schedules? You just lost all credibility in my book. Also, people love to complain about cancelled flights but call me lucky but I've never had one before (knocks on wood). I don't really know why you're talking about flight benefits, most people don't pick a regional based on benefits. I wish you guys the best over at Eagle (even the selfish eagle guys who took a dump on the furloughees by picking up OT last year) but you're facing a turbulent future.
Yes, I agree that you shouldn't pick a regional based on flight benefits. You should pick one based on if you can walk to the back of your aircraft standing up. Or so you can fly an aircraft with not 1 but 2 lavs! (I'm sorry but that was one of the most idiotic statements I have ever heard).
As far as getting junior manned at Eagle, you are an idiot if you pick up your phone. Yes they will call but there is no obligation to pick up. If you want the extra money and have nothing going on, then by all means pick it up.
In all seriousness, like what many people have stated, you don't know what's going to happen. Republic is going to grow and Eagle is probably going to shrink. In a few more months, Eagle will make some announcements that will help people decided if they want to come here or not.
01-28-2013, 06:38 AM
#52
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Sure, everything looks on the up and up with the Q400s and AA contract, but all it takes is Chautauqua being wound down to offset all that growth. That said, all regionals have 50 seat exposure, but we are certainly not free of it here.
01-28-2013, 06:49 AM
#53
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Those Jr Mofos that you say that have to put the uniform for a whole month, are the same mofos that bid the Ready RSV line. I was the most JR guy in FEB to APR in ORD in 2011 (very short on pilots) and never bid the RRSV line and never got it.
Reserve guys can proffer for open trips day before. With the new contract RsV guys can put themselves in a turn back list, if not you will get released from your duty. Will not have to call for released.
We also have cancelation credit, so while your line holders lose money with cancelations I still get paid for it.
Never been JR Manned in my 2 years, you can say no to the assignment. We will still be above any RAH Pilot flying the E-175 for AA in the Std By list in your own flight. Same story on LAX and DFW on Skywest , just for the jumpseats RAH guys will go above us in your own airplane. In AA Flight we will still number 2 in the JS after AA pilots. AA pilots will be below us in our planes but above any other pilot.
CRJ flies no more than 4 legs and EMJ flies no more than 5 legs.
Keep dreaming that QOL in RAH is better than eagle.
Reserve guys can proffer for open trips day before. With the new contract RsV guys can put themselves in a turn back list, if not you will get released from your duty. Will not have to call for released.
We also have cancelation credit, so while your line holders lose money with cancelations I still get paid for it.
Never been JR Manned in my 2 years, you can say no to the assignment. We will still be above any RAH Pilot flying the E-175 for AA in the Std By list in your own flight. Same story on LAX and DFW on Skywest , just for the jumpseats RAH guys will go above us in your own airplane. In AA Flight we will still number 2 in the JS after AA pilots. AA pilots will be below us in our planes but above any other pilot.
CRJ flies no more than 4 legs and EMJ flies no more than 5 legs.
Keep dreaming that QOL in RAH is better than eagle.
I don't pick OT, my free time is my free time and I understood the furloughed guys.
You can say that you lost my credibility on my, but my post was based in my experience, and people above this backed it op.
Yesterday they canceled my flight back to ORD, they Jr Man me for a overnight and deadhead back today. I called them and said "I'm going to go home from where I am". Scheduler respond "let me see, no problem, go!!!".
Going into a Regional is not all about equipment, is not about 1 lav or 2 lavs. Is about where you can be stuck for long time and be happy with it.
01-28-2013, 07:51 AM
#54
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Good point, I also forgot to mention that junior manning is not just for people on reserve, you could be a line holder and get the shaft worked up to your seniority on your weekend to come in when you had something planned but you're right, you'll get Monday off and a couple extra bucks to make up for it. I also forgot to add that ready reserve is not just a little here and there, as a junior mofo, your whole monthly schedule will consist of putting your uniform on and wondering around aimlessly all day in the airport begging for a call to cure the boredom. You will also fly 5-8 legs a day and have to do the walk of shame to the back lav with your head down if you're taller than 5'11" should you need to relieve yourself. The average leg per day on the 170 is 3 with a 6'5" cabin and 2 lavs. There is no denying that the pay scale is better at Eagle and there are a few little luxuries that you won't find at RAH such as an ACARS printer and a in house cafeteria when you go for training and PC's. As far as the work rules, when it comes down to it, an average day of work at RAH is much easier.
Republic has put themselves in a position where they desperately need pilots to staff their new flying. As long as they have stary eyed pilots acting like a dog with 2 tails becuase the plane has an extra potty, they will get them. Have some pride in yourself, take a look at what they are offering and say no way. Only then will they be forced to offer what you guys are really worth.
Bash me all you want. I promise you won't hurt my feelings!
01-28-2013, 08:12 AM
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Not valid for RAH. Bases open & close regularly and involuntary displacements flow like wine. We have an outstation system on all three certificates. Unless you live in CMH or IND, you'll likely have to commute at some point at RAH. Stay away from RAH. The company is coming apart at the seams.
If it were me, I'd hold out for Skywest/Expressjet. Ask yourself this- "Would I be happy/able to afford being stuck at this airline in the right seat for 5 years?" Skywest-Yes, Eagle-Maybe, RAH-NO!
If it were me, I'd hold out for Skywest/Expressjet. Ask yourself this- "Would I be happy/able to afford being stuck at this airline in the right seat for 5 years?" Skywest-Yes, Eagle-Maybe, RAH-NO!
01-28-2013, 08:23 AM
#56
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Actually, Eagle has closed bases, displaced and furloughed more recently than RAH with LAX and all the SJU, DFW, MIA ATR displacements. Why even fly your first day of training in a C150 if you can't move around a few times? Seriously people, do not commute, move around for the job or don't get into this industry and stick to a desk job.
01-28-2013, 08:26 AM
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2 lav's? ACARS printer? 6`5" cabin? These are things you consider when you choose which regional to go to? That kind of mentality is what keeps dragging down the regionals. Do me a favor and take a look at what Jet Blue pays its pilots to fly the exact same airframe on similar routes. It amazes me that anyone would prostitute themselves out to fly such an advanced aircraft on mainline routes for such discusting pay and work rules. Unless you have a "legitimate" reason to go there, like live in base, I would not even consider bending over and letting Republic have their way with me to staff their shiny new aircraft. Its like getting paid less than the other guy to shovel poop because you are using a gold plated shovel.
Republic has put themselves in a position where they desperately need pilots to staff their new flying. As long as they have stary eyed pilots acting like a dog with 2 tails becuase the plane has an extra potty, they will get them. Have some pride in yourself, take a look at what they are offering and say no way. Only then will they be forced to offer what you guys are really worth.
Bash me all you want. I promise you won't hurt my feelings!
Republic has put themselves in a position where they desperately need pilots to staff their new flying. As long as they have stary eyed pilots acting like a dog with 2 tails becuase the plane has an extra potty, they will get them. Have some pride in yourself, take a look at what they are offering and say no way. Only then will they be forced to offer what you guys are really worth.
Bash me all you want. I promise you won't hurt my feelings!
I've seen people make that mistake before about Jetblue and it's quite easy to do at first glace. After you take into account all of the soft money you're getting, like time 150% over 78 hrs, a healthy profit sharing check, night and int. pay premium, etc you have Captains making $200,000 who have been at the company less than 10 years. There is no regional that pays what we're worth, depending on where you go you're either getting 1 bag of peanuts or 1 and 1/4th of a bag or maybe 1 and 1/2 bags if you go to Skywest. Either way if you want to set the industry straight, then boycott every regional out there until they start us out at $50,000 first year.
01-28-2013, 08:41 AM
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I've seen people make that mistake before about Jetblue and it's quite easy to do at first glace. After you take into account all of the soft money you're getting, like time 150% over 78 hrs, a healthy profit sharing check, night and int. pay premium, etc you have Captains making $200,000 who have been at the company less than 10 years. There is no regional that pays what we're worth, depending on where you go you're either getting 1 bag of peanuts or 1 and 1/4th of a bag or maybe 1 and 1/2 bags if you go to Skywest. Either way if you want to set the industry straight, then boycott every regional out there until they start us out at $50,000 first year.
This opens the door to safety issues, possible certificate action and pilots argueing about what to do which is a breakdown in CRM.
This kind of thing is more important to me than an extra lav or ACARS printers.
Just one example. I'm sure there are many more!
01-28-2013, 08:44 AM
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Yeah cus its so often that I have to pee. Every flight I have to do it 4 times. I really enjoy having that 2nd lav upfront so I dont have to do the walk a shame!
Come on people. I take a leak maybe once every 12 legs cus the terminals have bathrooms.
Republic among some others bring work rules to where we are now. Thank you RAH "yes"voters for our lifestyle.
Come on people. I take a leak maybe once every 12 legs cus the terminals have bathrooms.
Republic among some others bring work rules to where we are now. Thank you RAH "yes"voters for our lifestyle.
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