Will Republic Be Able To Get 500+ ??
02-02-2013, 05:14 PM
#91
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Don't get me started on "golden handcuffs". The senior guys complain about how they make too much to go anywhere but Fedex/SWA/DAL. I.E. the guy next to me making 2.5 to 3 times what I make and is complaining about making too much money.
These guys all upgraded in approximately 2 years and never spent more than a couple months on reserve. They've never worked a holiday, a weekend, etc.
Meanwhile I'm a 6 year FO and still not able to hold an upgrade..... making $36.62 an hour, making less take home pay every year.
I get it, this industry is about luck. And I thank my stars I didn't get hired 6 months later, but the senior CAs get paid fairly, but only at the expense of the FOs.
Our competitive labor costs are attained by the subjugation of the FOs.
These guys all upgraded in approximately 2 years and never spent more than a couple months on reserve. They've never worked a holiday, a weekend, etc.
Meanwhile I'm a 6 year FO and still not able to hold an upgrade..... making $36.62 an hour, making less take home pay every year.
I get it, this industry is about luck. And I thank my stars I didn't get hired 6 months later, but the senior CAs get paid fairly, but only at the expense of the FOs.
Our competitive labor costs are attained by the subjugation of the FOs.
Roger Waters once asked:
....Tell me, is something eluding you, Sunshine? Is this not what you expected to find...?
When I quit RAH I had in over 11 years and was at 126 on the seniority list. I took the huge pay cut and everything else and not a day goes by I don't congratulate myself for bailing out of that flying circus. My reasons for leaving were many. Not included on that list, however, was the imperative to vacate some whiney-butt FO'S throne
02-02-2013, 09:02 PM
#92
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Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: ERJ 170
Posts: 729
Originally Posted by Hetman:1344894
Don't get me started on "golden handcuffs". The senior guys complain about how they make too much to go anywhere but Fedex/SWA/DAL. I.E. the guy next to me making 2.5 to 3 times what I make and is complaining about making too much money.
These guys all upgraded in approximately 2 years and never spent more than a couple months on reserve. They've never worked a holiday, a weekend, etc.
Meanwhile I'm a 6 year FO and still not able to hold an upgrade..... making $36.62 an hour, making less take home pay every year.
I get it, this industry is about luck. And I thank my stars I didn't get hired 6 months later, but the senior CAs get paid fairly, but only at the expense of the FOs.
Our competitive labor costs are attained by the subjugation of the FOs.
These guys all upgraded in approximately 2 years and never spent more than a couple months on reserve. They've never worked a holiday, a weekend, etc.
Meanwhile I'm a 6 year FO and still not able to hold an upgrade..... making $36.62 an hour, making less take home pay every year.
I get it, this industry is about luck. And I thank my stars I didn't get hired 6 months later, but the senior CAs get paid fairly, but only at the expense of the FOs.
Our competitive labor costs are attained by the subjugation of the FOs.
Roger Waters once asked:
....Tell me, is something eluding you, Sunshine? Is this not what you expected to find...?
When I quit RAH I had in over 11 years and was at 126 on the seniority list. I took the huge pay cut and everything else and not a day goes by I don't congratulate myself for bailing out of that flying circus. My reasons for leaving were many. Not included on that list, however, was the imperative to vacate some whiney-butt FO'S throne
He is correct, the cost advantage comes from the lowest paid FOs in the industry. He also never said anything about anyone taking paycuts.
It also comes from the lack of cancellation pay, lack min day credit for lineholders, lack of duty/trip rigs, crappy vacancy system, crappy vacation, crappy healthcare, etc.
In the end, the cost advantage also comes from the CAs. But the FO rates are beyond terrible. I also don't see many FOs around here claiming your throne. I see more FOs who hope/try to go to US Air, Spirit, JetBlue, Virgin America, Allegiant than are trying to claim that golden throne. I'm glad you got out of this place, everyone wants out for the most part.
02-02-2013, 09:21 PM
#93
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02-03-2013, 09:48 AM
#94
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So these nastybad captains are holding you back, are they? Bastards! They should take a huge pay cut, go back to commuting, go back to working weekends and holidays, go back to reserve and go back to minimum days off to make room for you at the top. It's the right thing to do.
Roger Waters once asked:
Welcome to the real world, Sunshine.
When I quit RAH I had in over 11 years and was at 126 on the seniority list. I took the huge pay cut and everything else and not a day goes by I don't congratulate myself for bailing out of that flying circus. My reasons for leaving were many. Not included on that list, however, was the imperative to vacate some whiney-butt FO'S throne
Roger Waters once asked:
Welcome to the real world, Sunshine.
When I quit RAH I had in over 11 years and was at 126 on the seniority list. I took the huge pay cut and everything else and not a day goes by I don't congratulate myself for bailing out of that flying circus. My reasons for leaving were many. Not included on that list, however, was the imperative to vacate some whiney-butt FO'S throne
You haven't attempted to raise a family for 6 years on FO pay have you? You haven't tried to stay married, double legging it to reserve while holding eleven days of during that period either.
I bet you were not furloughed during the worst recession in recent history and your health insurance doesn't reduce your take home pay by 30%. I bet you didn't spend six years, trying to stay sane in overcrowded crashpads while stressing over that $600 interest payment.
Many of us did. I'm not whining, I know I can handle anything life will throw at me. I'm smarter, more skeptical, and less receptive to bull****. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and i'm getting ready to cash in on my dues.
As a pampered product of the early 00's, you shouldn't accuse a senior RJ FO of being a whiner. Chances are that he has been beat down, hardened and learned how to deal with guys like you. You will soon fly with them.
Welcome to a generation who has indeed experienced life.
02-03-2013, 10:33 AM
#95
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 110
You haven't attempted to raise a family for 6 years on FO pay have you? You haven't tried to stay married, double legging it to reserve while holding eleven days of during that period either.
I bet you were not furloughed during the worst recession in recent history and your health insurance doesn't reduce your take home pay by 30%. I bet you didn't spend six years, trying to stay sane in overcrowded crashpads while stressing over that $600 interest payment.
Many of us did. I'm not whining, I know I can handle anything life will throw at me. I'm smarter, more skeptical, and less receptive to bull****. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and i'm getting ready to cash in on my dues.
As a pampered product of the early 00's, you shouldn't accuse a senior RJ FO of being a whiner. Chances are that he has been beat down, hardened and learned how to deal with guys like you. You will soon fly with them.
Welcome to a generation who has indeed experienced life.
I bet you were not furloughed during the worst recession in recent history and your health insurance doesn't reduce your take home pay by 30%. I bet you didn't spend six years, trying to stay sane in overcrowded crashpads while stressing over that $600 interest payment.
Many of us did. I'm not whining, I know I can handle anything life will throw at me. I'm smarter, more skeptical, and less receptive to bull****. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and i'm getting ready to cash in on my dues.
As a pampered product of the early 00's, you shouldn't accuse a senior RJ FO of being a whiner. Chances are that he has been beat down, hardened and learned how to deal with guys like you. You will soon fly with them.
Welcome to a generation who has indeed experienced life.
This is the best quote on this board. To all the FO's who joined the airline industry in 2007-08 and are still FO's, when our time comes -- We will have earned every good thing this industry has to offer.
We are not bitter, but a lot more "seasoned" than the regional lifer captains who went before us with only 9 months to 3 years in the right seat. We are all happy that 121 life turned out so well for you, but PLEASE -- stop lecturing us about how things are. You have not walked the last five to six years in our shoes (you know -- the ones with the holes in them).
02-03-2013, 10:41 AM
#96
You scratched my anchor
Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,910
You haven't attempted to raise a family for 6 years on FO pay have you? You haven't tried to stay married, double legging it to reserve while holding eleven days of during that period either.
I bet you were not furloughed during the worst recession in recent history and your health insurance doesn't reduce your take home pay by 30%. I bet you didn't spend six years, trying to stay sane in overcrowded crashpads while stressing over that $600 interest payment.
Many of us did. I'm not whining, I know I can handle anything life will throw at me. I'm smarter, more skeptical, and less receptive to bull****. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and i'm getting ready to cash in on my dues.
As a pampered product of the early 00's, you shouldn't accuse a senior RJ FO of being a whiner. Chances are that he has been beat down, hardened and learned how to deal with guys like you. You will soon fly with them.
Welcome to a generation who has indeed experienced life.
I bet you were not furloughed during the worst recession in recent history and your health insurance doesn't reduce your take home pay by 30%. I bet you didn't spend six years, trying to stay sane in overcrowded crashpads while stressing over that $600 interest payment.
Many of us did. I'm not whining, I know I can handle anything life will throw at me. I'm smarter, more skeptical, and less receptive to bull****. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and i'm getting ready to cash in on my dues.
As a pampered product of the early 00's, you shouldn't accuse a senior RJ FO of being a whiner. Chances are that he has been beat down, hardened and learned how to deal with guys like you. You will soon fly with them.
Welcome to a generation who has indeed experienced life.
02-03-2013, 10:52 AM
#97
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2012
Posts: 35
You haven't attempted to raise a family for 6 years on FO pay have you? You haven't tried to stay married, double legging it to reserve while holding eleven days of during that period either.
I bet you were not furloughed during the worst recession in recent history and your health insurance doesn't reduce your take home pay by 30%. I bet you didn't spend six years, trying to stay sane in overcrowded crashpads while stressing over that $600 interest payment.
Many of us did. I'm not whining, I know I can handle anything life will throw at me. I'm smarter, more skeptical, and less receptive to bull****. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and i'm getting ready to cash in on my dues.
As a pampered product of the early 00's, you shouldn't accuse a senior RJ FO of being a whiner. Chances are that he has been beat down, hardened and learned how to deal with guys like you. You will soon fly with them.
I bet you were not furloughed during the worst recession in recent history and your health insurance doesn't reduce your take home pay by 30%. I bet you didn't spend six years, trying to stay sane in overcrowded crashpads while stressing over that $600 interest payment.
Many of us did. I'm not whining, I know I can handle anything life will throw at me. I'm smarter, more skeptical, and less receptive to bull****. Right is right, wrong is wrong, and i'm getting ready to cash in on my dues.
As a pampered product of the early 00's, you shouldn't accuse a senior RJ FO of being a whiner. Chances are that he has been beat down, hardened and learned how to deal with guys like you. You will soon fly with them.
02-03-2013, 11:40 AM
#98
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Joined APC: May 2010
Posts: 195
^^^^^^
This is the best quote on this board. To all the FO's who joined the airline industry in 2007-08 and are still FO's, when our time comes -- We will have earned every good thing this industry has to offer.
We are not bitter, but a lot more "seasoned" than the regional lifer captains who went before us with only 9 months to 3 years in the right seat. We are all happy that 121 life turned out so well for you, but PLEASE -- stop lecturing us about how things are. You have not walked the last five to six years in our shoes (you know -- the ones with the holes in them).
This is the best quote on this board. To all the FO's who joined the airline industry in 2007-08 and are still FO's, when our time comes -- We will have earned every good thing this industry has to offer.
We are not bitter, but a lot more "seasoned" than the regional lifer captains who went before us with only 9 months to 3 years in the right seat. We are all happy that 121 life turned out so well for you, but PLEASE -- stop lecturing us about how things are. You have not walked the last five to six years in our shoes (you know -- the ones with the holes in them).
02-03-2013, 12:36 PM
#99
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
Posts: 3,543
Probably better to be a 6 year FO than 3.5 year CFI. Just sayin'.
GREAT experience. Sucky pay. Almost zero time off. No health care. Damn near got divorced.
GREAT experience. Sucky pay. Almost zero time off. No health care. Damn near got divorced.
02-03-2013, 01:36 PM
#100
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,327
Riddle me this, Why did I get the PRIA stuff for the interview, but on the bottom it says "blah blah blah... your experience doesn't meet out requirements.... blah blah blah".. Anyone else thats got the interview have this?
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