rlkrutenat

How's it going buddy. It's been a while since we've worked on the crossword puzzle in the Saab. How's brown treating you?

Go Boilers!

Rich

Swedish Blender

I'm not sure I can say Go Boilers after that football game.

Besides the loooong upgrade, I can't complain but I dont see many USA today crosswords overseas. I do enjoy my Honolulu overnights though. Saturday night in Waikiki beats west Texas overnights.

rlkrutenat

Aargh. I was actually at the game. OSU stomped us. It was nice to hear the band though.

Rich

SUX4U

I got it now, thanks. So is this correct or not...SKW, RAH, XJT "stole" the American Eagle name or did AMR who owns AE decide to make available the American Eagle name to the newly agreeded upon lift from all the bankruptcy mess?

RyanP

yup, they stole our name.. and AMR aided and abetted in the crime.

eaglefly

Not to be a stickler, but several at Eagle here "informed" me in tge past that flying that used to be done by AA pilots and now done by Eagle pilots really wasn't AA's as AMR owns the flying and not the pilots and decides who flies what if scope allows it. In other words no one owns any flying they do, if it can be done by others. I don't see any difference then in a name either as AMR owns their "brand" and if Eagle scope allows another to operate under that brand, Eagle pilots don't own it. AMERICAN EAGLE has only been an "airline" for 16 years and was born of the 16-year contract that invented it. Previous to that it was a group of essentially 4 seperate airlines and since that contract is dead and scope allows the re morph back into separates, AMR is doing what they can and there is no "American Eagle" as an individual airlines and no one has rights to be that airline individually.

Just as their is no individual "Delta Connection" or "United Express", there is no "American Eagle". That is the new future. Regional flying will always be sub-contract flying with cannibalistic properties.

SUX4U

This is the type of info I was hoping to get as I was not really sure how this whole thing is playing out for all parties involved. I Understand why the American Eagle Airlines pilots would be upset about this encroachment on their comfort zone. But ultimately it just sounds like the cards dealt to these pilots in the AMR bankruptcy are rather unfavorable to say the least. I am sorry to see your pilot group getting backdoored like this. Best of luck to you American Eagle Airlines pilots.

eaglefly

This is nothing different that is occurring elsewhere. A lot of Eagles flying was formally AA's. Now, it's being outsourced again. Same thing with UAL, DAL, Midwest and others.

The cheapest pilot wins.........well, kinda.

Mason32

Actually it's not the same. As I see it once they created Eagle 16 years ago anybody on their pilot list flew as American Eagle. To this day pilots if executive airlines are in the master Eagle pilot seniority list and they operate as American Eagle. During those past 16 years when AMR contracted out flying as they did with TSA and CHQ the contractors used the American Connection brand.

If the name of your airline is nothing more than a brand, wait until Delta United and the rest license the brand to the lowest bidder. AMR is setting a new precedent and thus us the foot in the door just as baby jets for regionals was 20 years ago.

eaglefly

If what you claim was valid, it would be American Eagle pilots who own their brand. Your union gave that away, thus AMR owns the brand American Eagle and is free to do as they wish in regard to what pilots have rights to it. The only thing stopping AMR from having another carrier fly the American Airlines brand is APA scope. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but AA, Delta and United have ALREADY partially lost their brand as evidenced by those names being placed on "lowest bidder" aircraft simply with the addition of names, like Eagle, Connection and Express. That boat has already sailed and that "precedent" was broken 25 years ago.

The majority of regional pilots couldn't care less what "brand" their shiny and not so shiny jets have as long as it gets them to the captain seat and out as fast as possible. You'll find no loyalty in the regional pilot business anymore as its pilot-eat-pilot and any rationalization works. That's why many at Eagle told me the flying they now do that used to be AA's was never AA's or their pilots, but AMR's. Now the shoe is on the other foot and suddenly it's not so comfortable anymore. Again, its happening everywhere else and those on the acquisition end justify it and those on the other cry about the injustice. Sooner or later, you switch ends and go from justification to crying. The only thing new here, is that it's finally gotten around to American Eagle or what USED to be American Eagle.