Republic to Operate as American Eagle
02-07-2013, 04:32 PM
#111
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The paperwork filled is not about brand, it's about sending the jobs to RAH without giving Eagle consideration, after they asked in the court fillings for concessions and got it. They are not so much going after the judge but they are asking for the UCC to do a better review. SKW uses the American Eagle brand in LA.
02-07-2013, 05:17 PM
#112
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Just read the 18 page document. It will be a glorious day if the judge throws out the Republic agreement. Probably not likely, but possible.
The main arguments are that the financial information of the pro's and con's of this deal were not ever even disclosed to the affected parties, including the debtors. They are still refusing to disclose the information. The debtors were not adequately informed that there was any rational process for contracting with Republic, or about if there was any consideration of the interests of the Eagle estate when flying was given to an Eagle competitor.
Also, the fact that they made Eagle take concessions for MILLIONS so we could become competitive and market rate, then they disregarded that, continued to shrink us with no plan for replacements and gave flying away anyway. There is quoted contradictory statements in the document that say for us to contract feed with AA we must address our labor costs and be able to provide services at market rate, we did that with new contracts throughout the company.
There is questions to the decision making, or lack of, and if there was even any consideration of Eagle's future at all. Which could be a problem for the debtors obviously if Eagle is made worthless. There is serious questions on how this could harm the value of Eagle, harm our ability to hire, which could cause further shrinkage and increase our relative labor costs with a more senior group of employee's. Also it will harm the flow of pilots to AA due to staffing shortages, further increasing Eagles costs. There is evidence that this decision was made against the best interests of everyone involved here.
There is also questions of this decision with the pending US/AA merger..
There is questions of Republic even being able to satisfactorily fulfill the agreement.
Remember this is all happening inside a bankruptcy case and there has to be good reason for all these decisions and the debtors need to be protected.
AEPA and TWU also filed..
The main arguments are that the financial information of the pro's and con's of this deal were not ever even disclosed to the affected parties, including the debtors. They are still refusing to disclose the information. The debtors were not adequately informed that there was any rational process for contracting with Republic, or about if there was any consideration of the interests of the Eagle estate when flying was given to an Eagle competitor.
Also, the fact that they made Eagle take concessions for MILLIONS so we could become competitive and market rate, then they disregarded that, continued to shrink us with no plan for replacements and gave flying away anyway. There is quoted contradictory statements in the document that say for us to contract feed with AA we must address our labor costs and be able to provide services at market rate, we did that with new contracts throughout the company.
There is questions to the decision making, or lack of, and if there was even any consideration of Eagle's future at all. Which could be a problem for the debtors obviously if Eagle is made worthless. There is serious questions on how this could harm the value of Eagle, harm our ability to hire, which could cause further shrinkage and increase our relative labor costs with a more senior group of employee's. Also it will harm the flow of pilots to AA due to staffing shortages, further increasing Eagles costs. There is evidence that this decision was made against the best interests of everyone involved here.
There is also questions of this decision with the pending US/AA merger..
There is questions of Republic even being able to satisfactorily fulfill the agreement.
Remember this is all happening inside a bankruptcy case and there has to be good reason for all these decisions and the debtors need to be protected.
AEPA and TWU also filed..
Last edited by RyanP; 02-07-2013 at 05:44 PM.
02-07-2013, 05:25 PM
#113
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Just read the 18 page document. It will be a glorious day if the judge throws out the Republic agreement. Probably not likely, but possible.
The main arguments are that the financial information of the pro's and con's of this deal were not ever even disclosed to the affected parties, including the debtors.
Also, the fact that they made Eagle take concessions for MILLIONS so we could become competitive and market rate, then they disregarded that, continued to shrink us with no plan for replacements and gave flying away anyway.
There is questions to the decision making, or lack of, and if there was even any consideration of Eagle's future at all. Which could be a problem for the debtors obviously if Eagle is made worthless. Remember this is all happening inside a bankruptcy case and there has to be good reason for all these decisions and the debtors need to be protected.
AEPA and TWU also filed..
The main arguments are that the financial information of the pro's and con's of this deal were not ever even disclosed to the affected parties, including the debtors.
Also, the fact that they made Eagle take concessions for MILLIONS so we could become competitive and market rate, then they disregarded that, continued to shrink us with no plan for replacements and gave flying away anyway.
There is questions to the decision making, or lack of, and if there was even any consideration of Eagle's future at all. Which could be a problem for the debtors obviously if Eagle is made worthless. Remember this is all happening inside a bankruptcy case and there has to be good reason for all these decisions and the debtors need to be protected.
AEPA and TWU also filed..
Objection...Overruled - YouTube
02-07-2013, 05:45 PM
#114
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just read the 18 page document. It will be a glorious day if the judge throws out the republic agreement. Probably not likely, but possible.
The main arguments are that the financial information of the pro's and con's of this deal were not ever even disclosed to the affected parties, including the debtors. The debtors were not adequately informed that there was any rational process for contracting with republic, or about if there was any consideration of the interests of the eagle estate when flying was given to an eagle competitor.
Also, the fact that they made eagle take concessions for millions so we could become competitive and market rate, then they disregarded that, continued to shrink us with no plan for replacements and gave flying away anyway. There is quoted contradictory statements in the document that say for us to contract feed with aa we must address our labor costs and be able to provide services at market rate, we did that with new contracts throughout the company.
There is questions to the decision making, or lack of, and if there was even any consideration of eagle's future at all. Which could be a problem for the debtors obviously if eagle is made worthless. There is serious questions on how this could harm the value of eagle, harm our ability to hire, which could cause further shrinkage and increase our relative labor costs with a more senior group of employee's. Also it will harm the flow of pilots to aa due to staffing shortages, further increasing eagles costs. There is evidence that this decision was made against the best interests of everyone involved here.
There is also questions of this decision with the pending us/aa merger..
There is questions of republic even being able to satisfactorily fulfill the agreement.
Remember this is all happening inside a bankruptcy case and there has to be good reason for all these decisions and the debtors need to be protected.
Aepa and twu also filed..
The main arguments are that the financial information of the pro's and con's of this deal were not ever even disclosed to the affected parties, including the debtors. The debtors were not adequately informed that there was any rational process for contracting with republic, or about if there was any consideration of the interests of the eagle estate when flying was given to an eagle competitor.
Also, the fact that they made eagle take concessions for millions so we could become competitive and market rate, then they disregarded that, continued to shrink us with no plan for replacements and gave flying away anyway. There is quoted contradictory statements in the document that say for us to contract feed with aa we must address our labor costs and be able to provide services at market rate, we did that with new contracts throughout the company.
There is questions to the decision making, or lack of, and if there was even any consideration of eagle's future at all. Which could be a problem for the debtors obviously if eagle is made worthless. There is serious questions on how this could harm the value of eagle, harm our ability to hire, which could cause further shrinkage and increase our relative labor costs with a more senior group of employee's. Also it will harm the flow of pilots to aa due to staffing shortages, further increasing eagles costs. There is evidence that this decision was made against the best interests of everyone involved here.
There is also questions of this decision with the pending us/aa merger..
There is questions of republic even being able to satisfactorily fulfill the agreement.
Remember this is all happening inside a bankruptcy case and there has to be good reason for all these decisions and the debtors need to be protected.
Aepa and twu also filed..
I don't see any lawsuit.
02-07-2013, 07:55 PM
#116
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Sorry, improper use of letters there.. I meant the FA's union (AFA-CWA)
Getting hard to keep track of everything these days. I'm sure the AEPA has many objections, but this wasn't one of the legally filed one's.. lol
Getting hard to keep track of everything these days. I'm sure the AEPA has many objections, but this wasn't one of the legally filed one's.. lol
Last edited by RyanP; 02-07-2013 at 08:10 PM.
02-08-2013, 06:34 AM
#119
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But no, SKW/XJT are not operating "Large RJs" ergo they were not included in the filing and they both already had those airframes on hand. Your company is getting fresh off the line ones, something that L-Egl could have done as well (as pointed out in the filing).
02-08-2013, 08:53 AM
#120
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Relax tiller, no one is taking the flying away from you guys. There is little chance this will hold up. Breathe, easy does it. You will still get an opportunity to tell your friends "I fly for American now too in a big jet!"
But no, SKW/XJT are not operating "Large RJs" ergo they were not included in the filing and they both already had those airframes on hand. Your company is getting fresh off the line ones, something that L-Egl could have done as well (as pointed out in the filing).
But no, SKW/XJT are not operating "Large RJs" ergo they were not included in the filing and they both already had those airframes on hand. Your company is getting fresh off the line ones, something that L-Egl could have done as well (as pointed out in the filing).
""You will still get an opportunity to tell your friends "I fly for American now too in a big jet!""
You've obviously got some personal issues you need to work out, but my aspirations are wayyy beyond any regional. First interview coming up shortly to get out of this rat hole. Hopefully you're not a lifer and you can get out of it as well.
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