Republic Airways as a New Hire
02-26-2015, 10:51 AM
#191
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 122
not really surprising. tough to upgrade people when you don't have enough pilots to cover the flying as it is to take them offline for upgrade training. they have no choice but to park the remaining 145's early, no way around it. Management here has so greatly under estimated attrition and people leaving RAH, and this is just the beginning. We're only two months into 2015 and pilots are leaving in droves all along the entire spectrum of our seniority list...lifers, new hires, '08 guys making lateral moves, CKA's leaving...and not a word from our fearless leader since last fall...other than typical diatribe about JC and obedience around Christmas. 300+ left in 8-9 months and increasing weekly...nothing to see here according to BB.
02-26-2015, 11:13 AM
#192
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 183
I'm not surprised about the lack of info from our great leader. I believe they know how bad it is, and they also know that it can't be fixed without a lot of money. We will see new management before a new TA.
Even if we get a new contract tomorrow I'm not sure it would have much of an impact. Unless it is truly industry leading, it will have negative impact. Looks like this month will be close to 70 for attrition, with most of those being FOs. They need more then just new hires, they need to retain all the current FOs, which I don't see happening. Hopefully I don't end up in the right before I can bail!
Even if we get a new contract tomorrow I'm not sure it would have much of an impact. Unless it is truly industry leading, it will have negative impact. Looks like this month will be close to 70 for attrition, with most of those being FOs. They need more then just new hires, they need to retain all the current FOs, which I don't see happening. Hopefully I don't end up in the right before I can bail!
02-26-2015, 12:05 PM
#193
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 122
I'm not surprised about the lack of info from our great leader. I believe they know how bad it is, and they also know that it can't be fixed without a lot of money. We will see new management before a new TA.
Even if we get a new contract tomorrow I'm not sure it would have much of an impact. Unless it is truly industry leading, it will have negative impact. Looks like this month will be close to 70 for attrition, with most of those being FOs. They need more then just new hires, they need to retain all the current FOs, which I don't see happening. Hopefully I don't end up in the right before I can bail!
Even if we get a new contract tomorrow I'm not sure it would have much of an impact. Unless it is truly industry leading, it will have negative impact. Looks like this month will be close to 70 for attrition, with most of those being FOs. They need more then just new hires, they need to retain all the current FOs, which I don't see happening. Hopefully I don't end up in the right before I can bail!
02-26-2015, 12:50 PM
#194
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 135
For anyone considering coming to Republic:
I've been at this place for over 3 years - I feel sorry for any of the guys who have been here longer - especially the 6+ year FOs still waiting to upgrade.
Moral has never been lower at this place.
7+ years without a reasonable contract.
Schedules suck, even if you're senior - EVERYONE is looking to get out including FOs, 10+ year senior pilots, check airmen. Almost 300 pilots have left since last summer, resulting in a net loss of over 75. The airline has been understaffed for years and with the losses, extra long SIT time (built in reserve) has been put in almost everyone's schedules to cover the flying - 11-12+ hour days is now common with no pay for sitting on your butt in between flights, no min pay, no cancellation pay, no overtime pay.
Expect your phone to ring on every one of your days off by crew scheduling asking you if you would like "any extra flying" (again, for no overtime pay).
Management is a joke. They are COMPLETELY out of touch with their pilots. The CEO has recognized this since his tv show debut on Undercover Boss 4 years ago and for the last 3 years has been saying that getting in touch with his employees and getting the pilots a new "Industry Leading" contract has been his #1 priority - The Pilots are STILL waiting. Claims that a ratifiable TA is close have been going around but, at this point pilots no longer believe ANY words coming out of the CEO's or Unions mouths. Late last year the company put a survey out to the pilots that smeared all of management. The company recently put into place new "Employee Action Teams" in an attempt to help improve moral and re-establish trust and communication from within the pilot group. Everyone I've talked to thinks this is simply a waste of time and resources - management is doing everything to beat around the bush and delay in getting any kind of contract established in a timely manner. This place is a sinking ship.
I would highly recommend, especially if you're a college grad looking to join a program to fund training by a regional, to STRONGLY consider another airline before considering coming to Republic. Do the research. Talk to REAL pilots on the line - don't talk to recruiters. Do the math - figure upgrade times and pay at other airlines before considering a company like this locking you in for years in return for paying for training...
I've been at this place for over 3 years - I feel sorry for any of the guys who have been here longer - especially the 6+ year FOs still waiting to upgrade.
Moral has never been lower at this place.
7+ years without a reasonable contract.
Schedules suck, even if you're senior - EVERYONE is looking to get out including FOs, 10+ year senior pilots, check airmen. Almost 300 pilots have left since last summer, resulting in a net loss of over 75. The airline has been understaffed for years and with the losses, extra long SIT time (built in reserve) has been put in almost everyone's schedules to cover the flying - 11-12+ hour days is now common with no pay for sitting on your butt in between flights, no min pay, no cancellation pay, no overtime pay.
Expect your phone to ring on every one of your days off by crew scheduling asking you if you would like "any extra flying" (again, for no overtime pay).
Management is a joke. They are COMPLETELY out of touch with their pilots. The CEO has recognized this since his tv show debut on Undercover Boss 4 years ago and for the last 3 years has been saying that getting in touch with his employees and getting the pilots a new "Industry Leading" contract has been his #1 priority - The Pilots are STILL waiting. Claims that a ratifiable TA is close have been going around but, at this point pilots no longer believe ANY words coming out of the CEO's or Unions mouths. Late last year the company put a survey out to the pilots that smeared all of management. The company recently put into place new "Employee Action Teams" in an attempt to help improve moral and re-establish trust and communication from within the pilot group. Everyone I've talked to thinks this is simply a waste of time and resources - management is doing everything to beat around the bush and delay in getting any kind of contract established in a timely manner. This place is a sinking ship.
I would highly recommend, especially if you're a college grad looking to join a program to fund training by a regional, to STRONGLY consider another airline before considering coming to Republic. Do the research. Talk to REAL pilots on the line - don't talk to recruiters. Do the math - figure upgrade times and pay at other airlines before considering a company like this locking you in for years in return for paying for training...
A few extra points. For those who think RAH will have an industry leading contract... What are you smoking? Do you not know how this management team operates? RAH is one of the cheapest to operate pilot groups,if job the cheapest. Trust me, management at RAH already have a plan on how to solve the staffing problem. They don't need to share it with you.
After a year in RAH I jumped ship. All regionals suck, I know, but Republic is different. Soft pay isn't there in any form. My point is, life outside of RAH are light years better.
New contract just around the corner? If you really belive that you answer the definition of cra·zy
adjective
mentally deranged, especially as manifested in a wild or aggressive way.
02-26-2015, 12:56 PM
#195
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 183
That ^^^^
A few extra points. For those who think RAH will have an industry leading contract... What are you smoking? Do you not know how this management team operates? RAH is one of the cheapest to operate pilot groups,if job the cheapest. Trust me, management at RAH already have a plan on how to solve the staffing problem. They don't need to share it with you.
After a year in RAH I jumped ship. All regionals suck, I know, but Republic is different. Soft pay isn't there in any form. My point is, life outside of RAH are light years better.
New contract just around the corner? If you really belive that you answer the definition of cra·zy
adjective
mentally deranged, especially as manifested in a wild or aggressive way.
A few extra points. For those who think RAH will have an industry leading contract... What are you smoking? Do you not know how this management team operates? RAH is one of the cheapest to operate pilot groups,if job the cheapest. Trust me, management at RAH already have a plan on how to solve the staffing problem. They don't need to share it with you.
After a year in RAH I jumped ship. All regionals suck, I know, but Republic is different. Soft pay isn't there in any form. My point is, life outside of RAH are light years better.
New contract just around the corner? If you really belive that you answer the definition of cra·zy
adjective
mentally deranged, especially as manifested in a wild or aggressive way.
02-26-2015, 01:20 PM
#196
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 135
On a side note... Pay is just the foundation of a contract, and only serves as a base to the structure. If you credit 80 a month at $40, you made $3200. If you had soft pay in your contract, so you can credit 90 for the same month, but only get paid $37, you made more money. Pilots obsession for how much they make an hour is sometimes mind boggling to me
02-26-2015, 01:27 PM
#197
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 122
Again, they have a plan.
On a side note... Pay is just the foundation of a contract, and only serves as a base to the structure. If you credit 80 a month at $40, you made $3200. If you had soft pay in your contract, so you can credit 90 for the same month, but only get paid $37, you made more money. Pilots obsession for how much they make an hour is sometimes mind boggling to me
On a side note... Pay is just the foundation of a contract, and only serves as a base to the structure. If you credit 80 a month at $40, you made $3200. If you had soft pay in your contract, so you can credit 90 for the same month, but only get paid $37, you made more money. Pilots obsession for how much they make an hour is sometimes mind boggling to me
02-26-2015, 01:42 PM
#198
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 135
Short sighted? No. $30.88 is exactly why I brought up this point. The $40-$42 you are referring to is more like $45 in Republic, considering the lack of soft pay
02-26-2015, 01:59 PM
#199
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 183
It's well know that RAH has no soft pay. Yes it has a huge impact on take home pay, and that's why BB is watering down the cancelation pay in the next TA. I'm also certain any signing bonus will be directed at the senior guys, because they need the votes. I don't see RAH going away, but it will shrink IMHO.
02-26-2015, 02:17 PM
#200
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 122
It is short sighted. Forget soft pay.... Yeah, we have none. Thanks for pointing it out, nothing new there bud. What I can tell you is that a friend of mine at another regional, similar DOH give or take a few months, made nearly $12k more than I did in 2014 at one of the aforementioned regionals. Also blocked 40 hours less than me for the year. Something tells me that has a whole lot more to do with hourly wages than soft pay. An hourly wage gap of $10+/hr is pretty significant, soft pay or not. Just sayin'
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Frisky Pilot
Regional
20
01-01-2022 05:02 PM
