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09-09-2012, 05:40 PM

#11

Red97Vette

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Originally Posted by Ronaldo

I'm not "in the know". But I can say they are filing most classes they advertise to the union. I've heard of some people quitting right before the checkride. I guess reasons are numerous. Some felt unprepared for the checkride. The training manager quit in early July and I've heard from some instructors that things are still in chaos. Also we've heard a few people quit when they found out how the company is operated and once they figured out they'd barely clear 20k net for the next 5+ years.

So, overall I'd say no, we aren't having a shortage of applicants. But our net change in pilots is about +10 in the last three months because we've lost about a pilot a day quitting this dump.

netting 20k a year?? jesus you guys are right there with gojetssss

09-09-2012, 07:44 PM

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STR8NLVL

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That's a stretch. While not as good as my friends at Skywest and ExpressJet, I was able to W2 $48k as an FO.

09-09-2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by STR8NLVL

That's a stretch. While not as good as my friends at Skywest and ExpressJet, I was able to W2 $48k as an FO.

Hmmm, that's about $50/hr with about 970 hours for the year. Seems a little far fetched to me for an FO at any year. Yeah, you might pull in that 200% pay, but not for an entire year and for the entire month. Per diem doesn't count either.

09-09-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by STR8NLVL

That's a stretch. While not as good as my friends at Skywest and ExpressJet, I was able to W2 $48k as an FO.

My W2 read $18,900 last year. It is not a stretch.

....and that was GROSS, not net.

09-09-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MusicPilot

You'd be surprised what rigs/vacation/buddy bidding LCA schedules can do. I guarantee you some ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, and Skywest FOs made that plus some last year.

09-10-2012, 04:36 AM

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BTpilot

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Originally Posted by johnso29

You'd be surprised what rigs/vacation/buddy bidding LCA schedules can do. I guarantee you some ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, and Skywest FOs made that plus some last year.

Whiskey here.. And yes I did. Some of those freaks that live in base and rape open time made more.

09-10-2012, 07:19 AM

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Joachim

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There is alot of misinformation in this thread. It seems people are skewing the numbers to make a point.

Realisticly, a topped out FO grosses @ $40-47K.

Average attrition in the past 6 months has been near 18/mo and is accelerating slightly.

FO's who are willing to take first available are around 200 numbers closer to upgrade than they were 6 months ago.

The 145 is junior on the CA side

The Q and 170 is junior on the FO side

Newhires are moving up quickly and are holding lines in select bases and equipment.

Newhires cannot expect to upgrade quickly. In my oppinion, I would be suprised to see it longer than 4 years.

09-10-2012, 08:13 AM

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Oskeewowow

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Originally Posted by Joachim

There is alot of misinformation in this thread. It seems people are skewing the numbers to make a point.

Realisticly, a topped out FO grosses @ $40-47K.

Even topped out its hard to make over 40k. You would have to credit over 90hrs/month and earn full per diem. In a lot of bases, that just isn't possible. I don't know anyone who has made 47k as an FO at RAH. Some Captains, but no FOs.

09-10-2012, 08:31 AM

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Red97Vette

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Im at year 6 pay at ASA (XJET), my pay is $44.21/hr, I fly an average of 80 hrs or so a month during the year (some with vacation im credited at 75, and others up to 90 on occasion) I dont live to work and I enjoy my time off. My W2 (line 1) was $44,000 for 2011. And I thought my pay was low...!
Its crazy that working your ass off at RAH and people are calling it almost unattainable to net over $40k/year topped out. I hope y'all get a much better contract (with cancellation pay!) soon.
I hope this industry collapses on itself and we become "rare" lol.

09-10-2012, 09:35 AM

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Joachim

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Originally Posted by Oskeewowow

Remember we are talking gross. That includes the base of 32,127, add per diem of approximately 6,000, and 6000 in over guarantee at 89 hours credit average. Finally add 1700 in PDO's and your'e at around 45,000 gross.

And gross it is