Republic and AA in talks on large RJ contract
#81
They did pay their dues! We would most likely have hired them, but of course the IBT melee got in the way. Cannot hire off the street until we separate. Which is coming by the way! So on this one, I blame the IBT local 357.
Bottom line here, you got the Q-400 operation and next will most likely be the AE pilot group.
So zing that SEA Rider!
Bottom line here, you got the Q-400 operation and next will most likely be the AE pilot group.
So zing that SEA Rider!
#82
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 82
Don't grasp for straws next time...
#84
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 82
Why wouldn't they get mad? Wouldn't you if you had a group of regional pilot's that felt entitled to your job after you've worked hard to get to where you were? Trust me, when/if you move on to the big show from a regional, your attitude will change 180 degrees and you'll see more clearly.
#85
Why wouldn't they get mad? Wouldn't you if you had a group of regional pilot's that felt entitled to your job after you've worked hard to get to where you were? Trust me, when/if you move on to the big show from a regional, your attitude will change 180 degrees and you'll see more clearly.
#86
Why wouldn't they get mad? Wouldn't you if you had a group of regional pilot's that felt entitled to your job after you've worked hard to get to where you were? Trust me, when/if you move on to the big show from a regional, your attitude will change 180 degrees and you'll see more clearly.
Actually, you don't know much little one. The owner of Apple Vacations ,which owned USA 3000, dissolved the airline and contracted it's work out in entirety. This is completely different than flying under the guise of another airline such as you do. AirTran/Southwest along with other airlines also do contract work for Apple Vacations so it's not actually Frontier that is doing the work. Lastly, Frontier actually has better work rules and pay than USA 3000 ever did which is completely different than what situation you are in.
Don't grasp for straws next time...
Don't grasp for straws next time...
You all roll me!
Oh and when in doubt, blame the IBT and Republic pilots! Raaaawwwrrr!
#87
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 324
When in doubt, blame the IBT!!!
Also, I'm just as interested in a divorce as F9 pilots are. Have you seen any real evidence, besides corporate propaganda, that this will occur any time soon? It seems like the timeline for a spin off gets pushed back months at a time.
#88
MistyFAC, since you're so smart, maybe you can clear up some of my inexperienced 'little one' regional views I have regarding such 'experienced' upper-level aviators like yourself.
It seems to me that in the initial years of regionals (predominantly the 90's) one could generally assume that the experience level of a pilot at a 'major' was greater than those at a regional. That was back when everyone (civilian) started work at a regional, did a couple years there, and moved on like you were supposed to.
Then came 9/11, skyrocketing oil prices, mergers, consolidations, and the related down-turn economy complete with bankruptcies and the like. The result has been a widespread distribution of aviation experience amongst even regional airlines. I know you have F9 pilots there that have been flying since I was born. I also know you have pilots that went to Great Lakes out of flight school, did about 18 months there including time in both seats, and voila! A spot at F9!
Luck and timing folks...
We also have some (what once were) 500 hour wonder-pilots. But, we also have an ex Top Gun instructor & many other Military aviator veterans, furloughed TWA/AA, United, U.S. Airways (Jets for Jobs etc) ATA, and Midwest. Yep, they used to fly big planes like you! There truly is a wealth of experience out there currently sitting in the seats of dinky E145's, 170's and CRJs. Unfortunately, most of the regionals nowadays are this way, and it has nothing to do with a lack of risk taking to move on for most of them.
Luck and timing folks...
So, just because you currently fly a big ol' A319, I'd say it is a bit egotistical to assume your experience is so much greater group to group. Some have just had better luck/timing than others. Maybe there is overall more flying years of experience there per capita, but I would wager the divide is smaller than you make it sound, and not enough for you to continually use it as a primary basis of your arguments.
Tell me how it is, oh wise ones!
It seems to me that in the initial years of regionals (predominantly the 90's) one could generally assume that the experience level of a pilot at a 'major' was greater than those at a regional. That was back when everyone (civilian) started work at a regional, did a couple years there, and moved on like you were supposed to.
Then came 9/11, skyrocketing oil prices, mergers, consolidations, and the related down-turn economy complete with bankruptcies and the like. The result has been a widespread distribution of aviation experience amongst even regional airlines. I know you have F9 pilots there that have been flying since I was born. I also know you have pilots that went to Great Lakes out of flight school, did about 18 months there including time in both seats, and voila! A spot at F9!
Luck and timing folks...
We also have some (what once were) 500 hour wonder-pilots. But, we also have an ex Top Gun instructor & many other Military aviator veterans, furloughed TWA/AA, United, U.S. Airways (Jets for Jobs etc) ATA, and Midwest. Yep, they used to fly big planes like you! There truly is a wealth of experience out there currently sitting in the seats of dinky E145's, 170's and CRJs. Unfortunately, most of the regionals nowadays are this way, and it has nothing to do with a lack of risk taking to move on for most of them.
Luck and timing folks...
So, just because you currently fly a big ol' A319, I'd say it is a bit egotistical to assume your experience is so much greater group to group. Some have just had better luck/timing than others. Maybe there is overall more flying years of experience there per capita, but I would wager the divide is smaller than you make it sound, and not enough for you to continually use it as a primary basis of your arguments.
Tell me how it is, oh wise ones!
#90
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: EMB 145 CPT
Posts: 2,934
Geez, you sound like half the F9 guys.