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Old 09-06-2012, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Bolo
They did pay their dues! We would most likely have hired them, but of course the IBT melee got in the way. Cannot hire off the street until we separate. Which is coming by the way! So on this one, I blame the IBT local 357.

Bottom line here, you got the Q-400 operation and next will most likely be the AE pilot group.
So zing that SEA Rider!
Hire them at the bottom of course...after you stole 'their' flying. What was that you said about "Take anybodies flying from them as long as it benefits you.". It appears your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:03 AM
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Hire them at the bottom of course...after you stole 'their' flying. What was that you said about "Take anybodies flying from them as long as it benefits you.". It appears your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Actually, you don't know much little one. The owner of Apple Vacations ,which owned USA 3000, dissolved the airline and contracted it's work out in entirety. This is completely different than flying under the guise of another airline such as you do. AirTran/Southwest along with other airlines also do contract work for Apple Vacations so it's not actually Frontier that is doing the work. Lastly, Frontier actually has better work rules and pay than USA 3000 ever did which is completely different than what situation you are in.

Don't grasp for straws next time...
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:04 AM
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This is why you can't talk airline business with F9 guys. They get hypocritical and mad..

I keep the convo strictly about Misty the Arctic fox on the tail lol..
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:07 AM
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Why wouldn't they get mad? Wouldn't you if you had a group of regional pilot's that felt entitled to your job after you've worked hard to get to where you were? Trust me, when/if you move on to the big show from a regional, your attitude will change 180 degrees and you'll see more clearly.
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MistyFAC
Why wouldn't they get mad? Wouldn't you if you had a group of regional pilot's that felt entitled to your job after you've worked hard to get to where you were? Trust me, when/if you move on to the big show from a regional, your attitude will change 180 degrees and you'll see more clearly.
Hey I never said they were in the wrong... Did I?
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Old 09-06-2012, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MistyFAC
Why wouldn't they get mad? Wouldn't you if you had a group of regional pilot's that felt entitled to your job after you've worked hard to get to where you were? Trust me, when/if you move on to the big show from a regional, your attitude will change 180 degrees and you'll see more clearly.
Way to cast a broad label on a group you know nothing about. Just keep telling yourself whatever you need and most of all...get mad! Get mad at every Republic pilot you see...it's all their fault!!!


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Actually, you don't know much little one. The owner of Apple Vacations ,which owned USA 3000, dissolved the airline and contracted it's work out in entirety. This is completely different than flying under the guise of another airline such as you do. AirTran/Southwest along with other airlines also do contract work for Apple Vacations so it's not actually Frontier that is doing the work. Lastly, Frontier actually has better work rules and pay than USA 3000 ever did which is completely different than what situation you are in.

Don't grasp for straws next time...
Thanks for that 'little one'! Sounds like flying at the expense of others is ok as long as it's not 'under the guise' (like all regonals). Let me guess...current regional pilots (not past) created the 'regional problem'? I'm sure it had nothing to do with giving up scope. But if you happened to get in and get out, as most of us are trying to do, you couldn't possible be to blame and are automatically and experienced aviator that is smarter than any of the current regional pilot scumbags. I can't wait to grow up and be like you! Maybe all of my sense of entitlement will go away like it CLEARLY has for F9 pilots.

You all roll me!

Oh and when in doubt, blame the IBT and Republic pilots! Raaaawwwrrr!
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Originally Posted by Bolo
We would most likely have hired them, but of course the IBT melee got in the way. Cannot hire off the street until we separate. Which is coming by the way! So on this one, I blame the IBT local 357.
Interesting, so a staple of F9 to the bottom of Southwest's list would be egregious, yet a staple of USA3000 to the bottom of F9's list would be doing them a huge favor?

When in doubt, blame the IBT!!!

Also, I'm just as interested in a divorce as F9 pilots are. Have you seen any real evidence, besides corporate propaganda, that this will occur any time soon? It seems like the timeline for a spin off gets pushed back months at a time.
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MistyFAC, since you're so smart, maybe you can clear up some of my inexperienced 'little one' regional views I have regarding such 'experienced' upper-level aviators like yourself.

It seems to me that in the initial years of regionals (predominantly the 90's) one could generally assume that the experience level of a pilot at a 'major' was greater than those at a regional. That was back when everyone (civilian) started work at a regional, did a couple years there, and moved on like you were supposed to.

Then came 9/11, skyrocketing oil prices, mergers, consolidations, and the related down-turn economy complete with bankruptcies and the like. The result has been a widespread distribution of aviation experience amongst even regional airlines. I know you have F9 pilots there that have been flying since I was born. I also know you have pilots that went to Great Lakes out of flight school, did about 18 months there including time in both seats, and voila! A spot at F9!

Luck and timing folks...

We also have some (what once were) 500 hour wonder-pilots. But, we also have an ex Top Gun instructor & many other Military aviator veterans, furloughed TWA/AA, United, U.S. Airways (Jets for Jobs etc) ATA, and Midwest. Yep, they used to fly big planes like you! There truly is a wealth of experience out there currently sitting in the seats of dinky E145's, 170's and CRJs. Unfortunately, most of the regionals nowadays are this way, and it has nothing to do with a lack of risk taking to move on for most of them.

Luck and timing folks...

So, just because you currently fly a big ol' A319, I'd say it is a bit egotistical to assume your experience is so much greater group to group. Some have just had better luck/timing than others. Maybe there is overall more flying years of experience there per capita, but I would wager the divide is smaller than you make it sound, and not enough for you to continually use it as a primary basis of your arguments.

Tell me how it is, oh wise ones!
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The Bachelor wasn't porn!
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Originally Posted by theaviator
If they get flying at the expense of eagle pilots, I will not be a happy camper. Sorry if you work there, but it would be your fault.
So, if your girlfriend or wife goes whoring around town, it would be the fault of all the dudes that banged her, right?

Geez, you sound like half the F9 guys.
Not entirely but they certainly would be an accomplice at the very least. Unless of course there are differences in morality and you don't care about anything other than your own gratification. Just saying since you asked...
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