Republic 170 Strobes
07-04-2012, 07:26 PM
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And why does republic use them to cross inactive runways?
Cause the pilot isn't thinking. And is being disrespectful of other pilots.
This gentleman last night was thoughtful and if you read the AIM under night operations it talks about courtesy towards your fellow pilots.
Some people are polite and courteous. And others not. Read the beginning of your POH. It says that they cannot simulate every situation so best judgement is to be used. Show me one violation where someone got nailed for turning on strobes late?
Cause the pilot isn't thinking. And is being disrespectful of other pilots.
This gentleman last night was thoughtful and if you read the AIM under night operations it talks about courtesy towards your fellow pilots.
Some people are polite and courteous. And others not. Read the beginning of your POH. It says that they cannot simulate every situation so best judgement is to be used. Show me one violation where someone got nailed for turning on strobes late?
07-04-2012, 07:49 PM
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07-04-2012, 08:08 PM
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4-3-23. Use of Aircraft Lights
a. Aircraft position lights are required to be lighted on aircraft operated on the surface and in flight from sunset to sunrise. In addition, aircraft equipped with an anti-collision light system are required to operate that light system during all types of operations (day and night). However, during any adverse meteorological conditions, the pilot-in-command may determine that the anti-collision lights should be turned off when their light output would constitute a hazard to safety (14 CFR Section 91.209). Supplementary strobe lights should be turned off on the ground when they adversely affect ground personnel or other pilots, and in flight when there are adverse reflection from clouds.
a. Aircraft position lights are required to be lighted on aircraft operated on the surface and in flight from sunset to sunrise. In addition, aircraft equipped with an anti-collision light system are required to operate that light system during all types of operations (day and night). However, during any adverse meteorological conditions, the pilot-in-command may determine that the anti-collision lights should be turned off when their light output would constitute a hazard to safety (14 CFR Section 91.209). Supplementary strobe lights should be turned off on the ground when they adversely affect ground personnel or other pilots, and in flight when there are adverse reflection from clouds.
f. At the discretion of the pilot*in*command, all exterior lights should be illuminated when taxiing on or across any runway. This increases the conspicuousness of the aircraft to controllers and other pilots approaching to land, taxiing, or crossing the runway. Pilots should comply with any equipment operating limitations and consider the effects of landing and strobe lights on other aircraft in their vicinity.
I think operating out of a class B airport, listening to what is happening a PIC can make a sensible decision to withhold use of strobes.
07-04-2012, 08:08 PM
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Sigh... I have no say in regards to when or which light we should turn on 
I curse ppl crossing inactive runways with strobes on at night and Capts leaving strobes on in imc thus giving me seizures.
You guys need a chill pill. Nobody's whining about putting comfort before safety. OP just thought someone was courteous by turning on the strobes late.
I did a study on the lax accident over a decade ago. Chances were that having the strobes on would not have saved those 30 something lives. It came down to not using the same runway for landings and departures, plus the lack of atc redundancy if I remember correctly.
So stop using one piece of the puzzle to solidify your arguments. Might make you look smart to someone who didn't pay 120k for an awesome Riddle degree but can't fool me!! Thank goodness for scholarships...
I curse ppl crossing inactive runways with strobes on at night and Capts leaving strobes on in imc thus giving me seizures.
You guys need a chill pill. Nobody's whining about putting comfort before safety. OP just thought someone was courteous by turning on the strobes late.
I did a study on the lax accident over a decade ago. Chances were that having the strobes on would not have saved those 30 something lives. It came down to not using the same runway for landings and departures, plus the lack of atc redundancy if I remember correctly.
So stop using one piece of the puzzle to solidify your arguments. Might make you look smart to someone who didn't pay 120k for an awesome Riddle degree but can't fool me!! Thank goodness for scholarships...
07-04-2012, 08:23 PM
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Get over yourself. You think you're doing everyone a favor, and your not.
07-04-2012, 08:30 PM
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Is it really that big of a deal? Strobes on while taxiing, and off when stopped, seems pretty easy. I guess strobes have never bothered me...never even considered it.
07-04-2012, 08:35 PM
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Your Riddle degree can't fool me, though!
07-04-2012, 08:39 PM
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Keep in mind these are the same captains who can't go a 4 day without *****ing about another pilots use of the term "fish finder" or who are always getting their panties in a wad over how you run your flows/fly the airplane/etc. ie they are micro-managers...
07-04-2012, 08:48 PM
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tell that to the 737 crew or Skywest crew who got landed on by 737 at LAX killing dozens because the controller screwed up and cleared them to land when Skywest was on the runway. Had the 737 seen the strobes of the aircraft on the runway they may have gone around. I believe that is straight out of the NTSB report. How bout not staring at the strobes if it bothers you????? or if you thing they might be turning them on as they take the runway, look away! you don't have to watch them position and hold. My strobes are always on when I take the runway for this very reason, or of someone decides to pull in from of me while I'm doing 130 kts down the runway...that little flash of light might be all that saves the day.
The main cause of that was controller error. That and the fact that back then ATC used to have us sit position and hold on the runway for very long periods of time waiting for departure clearance, and still use that same runway for arriving aircraft.
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