Republic 170 Strobes
07-04-2012, 05:42 PM
#41
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Sometimes, my own co-professionals drive me crazy. When I'm on a 2 mile final it's nice to see an aircraft holding on the threshold with strobes on instead of trying to appease the whiners holding short. Many wild animals and insects aren't capeable of looking away from bright lights, or are drawn to them...thankfully though, most of us humans have the ability to simply turn our heads away.
07-04-2012, 05:45 PM
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And why does republic use them to cross inactive runways?
Cause the pilot isn't thinking. And is being disrespectful of other pilots.
This gentleman last night was thoughtful and if you read the AIM under night operations it talks about courtesy towards your fellow pilots.
Some people are polite and courteous. And others not. Read the beginning of your POH. It says that they cannot simulate every situation so best judgement is to be used. Show me one violation where someone got nailed for turning on strobes late?
Cause the pilot isn't thinking. And is being disrespectful of other pilots.
This gentleman last night was thoughtful and if you read the AIM under night operations it talks about courtesy towards your fellow pilots.
Some people are polite and courteous. And others not. Read the beginning of your POH. It says that they cannot simulate every situation so best judgement is to be used. Show me one violation where someone got nailed for turning on strobes late?
Nobody usually gets nailed for sterile cockpit either until they are dead.....
07-04-2012, 05:47 PM
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Sometimes, my own co-professionals drive me crazy. When I'm on a 2 mile final it's nice to see an aircraft holding on the threshold with strobes on instead of trying to appease the whiners holding short. Many wild animals and insects aren't capeable of looking away from bright lights, or are drawn to them...thankfully though, most of us humans have the ability to simply turn our heads away.
I once did a go around due to an aircraft that aborted takeoff at night and didn't notify tower. The only thing that kept me from landing was seeing the strobes stop 4000 feet down the runway because the tower didn't catch it either.
07-04-2012, 06:05 PM
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Glad to see that in your few thousand hours you know more about runway safety and aviation in general than the FAA, most airlines training depts, and 97% of the pilots on here who do all lights on for takeoff roll.....:roll eyes:
You even having to note that this happened and take the time to post it shows you are in the minority....
You even having to note that this happened and take the time to post it shows you are in the minority....
How about those awesome rest rules?
07-04-2012, 06:07 PM
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You need to check your attitude and ego at the door...... or it most likely will kill you.
07-04-2012, 06:15 PM
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07-04-2012, 06:53 PM
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This is super-serial stuff man! There's at least one person out there NOT operating an aircraft in the forum approved manner! Rabble rabble rabble!
07-04-2012, 06:56 PM
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I'll be severely disappointed if there wasn't at least an ASRS put in...
07-04-2012, 07:21 PM
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What part of AIM 4-3-23-g is unclear?
My bold.
I suppose if the RAH pilot in question turns on the strobes on rotation, he also waits until after his engines are started to turn on the beacon?
I always turn on the strobes when entering a runway. That USAir accident in LAX taught me that.
For those who doubt the usefulness of the strobe lights being on ANY time you're on a runway, I'll offer the following:
1. At night after landing on a parallel runway, and crossing another with traffic in position, it can sometimes be very hard to see the other plane several thousand feet down the runway. The red & green nav lights blend in with the background all too easily, and depending on the intensity of the runway lights, the lights on the nose gear may not be that conspicuous. The flashing white lights certainly help to positively identify that there's an aircraft on the runway.
2. Then there's the student pilot who *almost* had a runway incursion. He was supposed to hold short, but decided to cross the active runway instead. The tower controller saw the guy's strobes come on and was able to stop him in time.
One major US carrier will sit on the runway all day and wait until cleared for takeoff before turning on the strobes- pretty pointless by that time IMO.
To the guys who whine that it hurts your eyes- get over it. It's a safety measure. You won't go blind in the few seconds it takes for the guy in front of you to get across the hold line and onto the runway.
g. When entering the departure runway for takeoff or to “line up and wait,” all lights, except for landing lights, should be illuminated to make the aircraft conspicuous to ATC and other aircraft on approach.
I suppose if the RAH pilot in question turns on the strobes on rotation, he also waits until after his engines are started to turn on the beacon?
I always turn on the strobes when entering a runway. That USAir accident in LAX taught me that.
For those who doubt the usefulness of the strobe lights being on ANY time you're on a runway, I'll offer the following:
1. At night after landing on a parallel runway, and crossing another with traffic in position, it can sometimes be very hard to see the other plane several thousand feet down the runway. The red & green nav lights blend in with the background all too easily, and depending on the intensity of the runway lights, the lights on the nose gear may not be that conspicuous. The flashing white lights certainly help to positively identify that there's an aircraft on the runway.
2. Then there's the student pilot who *almost* had a runway incursion. He was supposed to hold short, but decided to cross the active runway instead. The tower controller saw the guy's strobes come on and was able to stop him in time.
One major US carrier will sit on the runway all day and wait until cleared for takeoff before turning on the strobes- pretty pointless by that time IMO.
To the guys who whine that it hurts your eyes- get over it. It's a safety measure. You won't go blind in the few seconds it takes for the guy in front of you to get across the hold line and onto the runway.
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